Corona Virus Treatment

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  1. shiney

    shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

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    I agree that we should cool it. Please be careful not to make disparaging comments about other members. You can agree or disagree with what has been said but no disparaging comments about members are acceptable.

    Play nice :)
     
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    • pete

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      I assume that only applies to us and not admin.;)
       
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      It applies to everyone posting on the Open Forum, pete, so if you could give evidence of any member of Admin making disparaging remarks to, or about, any GC member I would be grateful.
       
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      No.
      I've given up.
      Along with quite a few others.
      We are all equal, but some are more equal than others.
       
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      • roders

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        Pete.
        There have been scathing criticism from you and one member of staff when one of us dare to have an opinion that differs from theirs.
        Amounting almost to abuse.

        I accept that this is how it is and if we don’t like it we are free to go.
        I can handle this as GC does not rule my life ,I have a mind and a life of my own .
        So I am staying ,will just try to dodge the bullets.
         
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        • pete

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          @roders I think I might have upset you on the odd occasion;):biggrin:
          But I dont think I've ever called you any nasty names, but I might have not agreed with you.
          Do you want a pineapple plant?:roflol:
           
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            No, that's not right, @pete. If adequate testing is provided, the positive cases can be isolated immediately, therefore preventing them from infecting others. It worked in Germany!
             
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            • pete

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              Well yeah, but who are you going to test?
              All 66 Million every day?
              You can only test if there is a reason to test and then its only worthwhile if you have the trace part of it working.
              Then you can test those that come up on the trace, but testing random individuals is pointless.
               
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                It worries me a tad that this wasn't picked up a hell of a long time ago though. It is a really, really well known thing that certain steroids (dexamethasone and prednisolone being the two favourites) are very useful when treating lung problems including simple chest infections in asthmatics. So I have to ask, why the hell wasn't it one of the first things that was tired?

                It definitely isn't rocket science, nor is it much beyond a half decent medical knowledge, because I clearly knew about it!
                 
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                  I was one of them, on this very forum I believe. I am pretty sure that I said that if it was going to be as bad as it was being painted, then everything should have been closed - nothing in or out of the country unless absolutely necessary.

                  I'm going to reply to all of these as a block, as they are all related.

                  @ARMANDII is quite correct in that the rules apply to us as much as they do any other member. When we post here, we are posting as members unless we are clearly acting in our admin roles, and indeed we may also get involved in discussions that may become somewhat strained - under these circumstances, please remember that we are human (even if we sometimes might not seem to be) and please consider that before you decide how you proceed. On the rare occasion that we have to consider a dispute or problem, we also consider the people involved and try to take the human aspect into account as much as possible - people make mistakes, especially when they are passionate about something.

                  What I would add, specifically to both of you @pete and @roders (but not exclusively for you) is that if you have had an encounter with anyone (even staff) that you feel is inappropriate or breaks the rules, then consider reporting that post and allowing the admin team to deal with it. I understand that you may believe that this is a pointless exercise if it is a member of staff that you are reporting, however I can honestly assure you that if that is the case the member of staff involved steps aside and allows the remaining staff to discuss what, if any, action is taken. Indeed, I have been in this situation myself, and can assure you that it is very odd indeed to not be able to go into certain areas in the staff area whilst these discussions are taking place. If there needs to be arbitration or a final say, then that falls to the man who pays the bills. Let's not forget that it is not all that long since we saw a member of the admin team leave the building somewhat rapidly with no return ticket allowed - we are not immune.

                  You may feel that it is better to 'let the dust settle' on a discussion and then approach the other party at a later stage, perhaps by PM - - in some cases this can be very productive as often times you will end up being able to sort whatever the problem is out between you. Quite often, the person who has caused the offence simply does not realise that they have done so (perhaps pushed things a bit far), and ultimately would welcome the opportunity to apologise. Indeed, I am the sort of person that would welcome such an opportunity if it were me involved, even if it ended up in an 'we agree to disagree, but amicably' scenario. If you choose this option however, please do so with a bit of caution as it can blow up in your face and if it does you end the attempt there and immediately involve the admin team. The preferred method is always to report, and then leave things to the admin team.


                  I have met a number of folks from this forum, including yourself @roders and your lovely wife, and have also conversed with a number of you both on the forum and on a more personal level by PM and I know for sure that there is a strong thread of goodness throughout the vast majority of people that are members of this forum. What we cannot do, especially at times like this, is to get under each other's skin and hold grudges.
                   
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                    To a certain extent, people who are tested will be able to provide the info required for targetting contacts, so that narrows it down considerably. Especially in a smallish country with a lot of options for 'drive'-type shopping. (When I say smallish country, I mean in terms of surface, not population). If the lockdown is properly observed, in principle, you don't have that many contacts and you don't go hither and thither, which as I said, narrows things down sufficiently to make it worthwhile. But this is all hindsight......the figures for various countries speak for themselves. What I have noticed on various groups and boards is that a lot of Brits and Dutch with second homes in France, or who take holidays here, are pushing hard for the relaxation of all travel rules :hate-shocked: Do they genuinely not see that it was international travel that created the pandemic in the first place? Are they really so selfish that their habits are more important than others' lives? I find that sad.
                     
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                      Hey!!! Speak for yourself.

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                      • Jiffy

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                        I've got hair just like that Monkey!
                         
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                          Quoted from a publication here ...

                          Portugal using Dexamethasone against Pandemic

                          Portugal has and is using Dexamethasone, in some cases of covid-19, but awaits “more detailed information” about the study that considers the drug beneficial in more serious infections, the president of Infarmed revealed yesterday.

                          “Dexamethasone is a common medication. It is not specifically addressed to covid infection. What these studies demonstrated, whose first data were released, was that, in patients ventilated or in need of oxygen, with more severe inflammatory situations, there is a reduced effect of mortality. It is in this type of situation that it looks like dexamethasone is going to be good. The medication is in use at the National Health Service” he said.

                          According to Rui Santos Ivo, in the first four months of the year, 200 thousand units of that medicine were used in Portugal.

                          “Doctors may, in situations that they consider justified, choose this administration”, he observed.

                          The Infarmed official warned that, regarding the treatment of covid-19 patients, the country must “wait for the data analysis” covered in the study by the University of Oxford.

                           
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                            So have I Jiffy:biggrin:...

                            Annnd another thing:old:..whilst out walking my furry lad saw a few more passengers on the Buses..Not ONE was wearing a mask....What the hell is wrong with people:gaah:
                             
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