Corona Virus Treatment

Disagreeing wholeheartedly and only someone not affected by the
virus could write this *******

We have no cure or treatment. It kills indiscriminately and the human cost..

And from stats the UK, like the US, has not taken enough precautions. Your death rate is shocking .

Have a look at eg the care homes?

And if the rate seems low it is because of the rules and restrictions which I thank God and our government for.

And have a look at the actual death rates. Each one a person , a loved one.

Here in Ireland we have covid suppressed as we had good ruling and it was enforced.. As travel is opening, that is starting to change. For the worse. covid has not gone away.

If a few extra restrictions will save lives, as it has done here? The more rules the better. Bring them on.

 

The toll is so low because of the restrictions. Had these not been enforced there would be deaths as in the US .

Shielding is a way of helping. Thank you for your support, .

The plague is not the govts doing. Any success against it IS the govts doing. And your last sentence is not true. I feel for you in many ways but many are far worse off than you. And you have the skills and the health to recover which many do not. My ordinary life is more meagre than yours and I accept that this will worsen with the battle against the virus.

The virus is causing this not the govt. The virus will cause much more pain in all areas than is happening now. We all need to combat it.

And by " affected by the virus" I meant seriously ill or dead. That is the priority . Preventing yet more illness and death will lead to economic rescue.

There are no short cuts,

Here in ireland we were much more restricted immediately than you ever have been . And we suppressed the virus through that strict government, and the death toll is low. Now we can pick up the threads again slowly and carefully, knowing that if it starts to get out of hand again, we wil go back into strict measures again

You are blaming the wrong elements here.

PS am signing off on this thread; I am as always ill abed with a major illness caused initially by a virus that disabled me in my 20s. I am still alive and have different priorities now. But will never be able to mix with folk. And was never able to earn and yes, rented and rent still. That is as it is for many . The effects of this virus will be disabling in this way for thousands and is already disabling many strong folk as happened to me.

Life for me is still happy; illness has taught me different values.

So few are affected now according to you, because of restrictions etc that you so condemn, you all have a far greater chance of coming through this.

Blessings and peace and adieu!

 

On-line consultations and working from home, it was all going this way before Covid-19. It's all down to money. Work from home so businesses don't have to buy/rent office space and move to on-line consultations so the same number of Doctors can see more people. For the first time ever I had a telephone consultation with my dentist - all he really had to do was provide some reassuring words and all was fine. I wonder how many will continue with their on-line shopping.

I'm the sort of person who likes to see and talk to real people rather than a screen.

I have noticed that our on-line shop has short use by dates - I suppose because those in the shops naturally go for the products with a longer use by date.

The financial system is a mechanism for the 'elite' to control the masses - employment is wage slavery. That's what I've read on the internet anyway .

 

FC!!!! I ' luv yer to bits' ,and you're a true

in my eyes for the kindness and help you've given me....but....how can you say that??
It comes down to your definition of ' directly affected ' I suppose.

This virus has ripped through everyone's lives in varying degrees and forms.....no one has been left untouched by it.

Directly or indirectly nobody has been able to escape it and it will effect our individual lives for some time to come yet.

If not by the pure fear caused by getting the illness and then struggling to survive it, or watching ,as a relative or health professional, as someone gives up the battle ..then think of all the other ways too.

People desperately struggling to hold down jobs, trying to provide the bare day to day essential staples of a 'normal' life for their children.
Added to that they have the pressures of continuing to maintain some levels of 'home education ' in the fight to stop their children falling behind,especially for the 16 to 18 yr olds who are approaching their final exams.
For some vulnerable children ....school is they 'escape' from hunger...or worse still ..abuse.!!! I shudder to think of an abuser with all these added worrries.!!

Likewise for the all who may be in enforced confinement with their abusers ,whatever age ....unimaginable times!!

I am fortunate in that despite being in the vulnerable age group we are both well and managing just fine.
But untouched?....definitely not!!!, yes and most importantly, our children have remained healthy and safe up in London, yes we have got online shopping slots, yes hubs has his meds delivered, yes we have all the modern technology to have face to face contact with family and friends here and overseas, yes hubs and I have each other for company.. .... but untouched???.... where was I when my Dad lived out his last days... I couldn't hold his hand, look into his eyes , see him smile at me. In the end , yes I did say ' *** off to the guidelines and go to him...but it was too dammed late as he was unconscious for his final 32 hours....I try and console myself in thinking...' he did know I was there, I did feel him squeeze my hand albeit very faintly ....or was it my imagination....I hope not . We couldn't even do the final thing properly in giving him the send off he so deserved ..2months later and he is sat on the undertaker's shelf waiting to be finally reunited with Mum. When...who knows?

Now we all have to wait with baited breathe to see what this coming Autumn and Winter will bring.....will the virus spike, will it react to the seasonal changes....will it mutate ?

The fear of this unknown virus ,is truly impacted on everyone.

 

It's ok FC, I've found him now.
Yeah he certainly does hit the spot in comedic kind of way.

 

???? I agree totally with what you are saying and applaud your post; but my comment re "directly affected" referred to the attitude I was responding to whereby stats were being misap-pplied NOT to the reality of this appalling virus.

stats are no measure of this plague.

But you have expressed this far better than I ever could; thank you. And yes, my family is directly affected, with one death already and at least 2 more in quarantine,

The post I was replying to seemed to have no idea of the total effect and terror of this virus

OK? OK>

 

replying to upsadaisy

 

Agree with much of what you say. But please bear in mind that this is a new and unknown quantity and that we have the terrible toll in China and now in the US,

Yes the UK govt faffed about; Bojo wanted " herd immunity" at the cost of thousands. And clamped down too late.

Abd re stats; what we get here is the actual daily numbers of the UK deaths and that is not small nor trivial.

When the UK came round. they followed the advice of specialist medical authorities ie lockdown. This is what we have to trust. Not what we would like.

There IS going to be a cost in human terms in every aspect of life. That is unavoidable, as they say the "new normal" . Life is never going to be the same in the world. And a three week lockdown would not have changed that. The virus is leading us not vice versa.

here in Ireland we are watching the situation after months of lockdown, and already case numbers are rising. Also commercial financial folk are trying to make the running. One family got back from Iraq and have caused a cluster in Sligo.

It has not gone away, and we are in this for the long haul, and we are told here that if need be we will go into total lockdown again.

China got a massive second wave by opening too soon and too widely.

 

Lockdown, in my opinion is only a means of suppressing the virus, it will never wipe it out.
So personally I can only see a socalled second wave as inevitable regardless of when you ease a lockdown.
Probably a third and fourth until people get immunity, acquired in one of two ways, either you catch it and recover or they eventually get a vaccine.

 

Not sure that that holds up in medical terms. Not everyone catches eg seasonal flu whether they are vaccinated or not. And as was said so cogently here in Ireland, by keeping numbers of infected at bay by lockdown we gave the medical services and hospitals a chance not ot be totally inundated at once. It gave the chance to manage the rate of infections. It was called flattening the curve. Also gives folk the chance to take stock of how best to avoid infection by changes in their way of life.

 

That is basically what I wrote, flattering the curve is suppressing it, it's not eliminating it.

And if you don't catch it all well and good.