Corona Virus Treatment

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  1. pete

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    So, are we now saying there is no such thing as SELF isolation, its actually ENFORCED isolation?
     
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      I still say stop any monies going to the universities - that will sharpen their minds quite significantly I reckon.

      This virus is no doubt a significant problem, but I continually feel that it is being made worse by those in our society who may have felt that their 'power' was slipping away from them....
       
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      The 1922 committee are going to do some questioning tomorrow. Don't know what good that will do. :dunno:
       
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        I feel a revolution coming on.
        If it goes on like this for too long it wont be just the odd demo in London they have to deal with.
         
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          Anyone who now believes that we live in any form of a democracy is deluded.
           
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            A Private Security Firm employees only have the same powers as the Public i.e. as per Section 24A of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984.
            But all reputable Security Firms as well aware of what roles their Security Officers can play and the limits of their powers. So any Security Officers would not/could not restrain anyone from leaving University/College grounds but they would be able to take details of such persons unauthorised to leave those premises and report them to the University Authorities.

            The Police are, however, empowered to control access and egress should it be needed, but they would only do that reluctantly and on the instructions from a Government Minister which, again, is unlikely despite all the conspiracy theories/ideas whirling around like seeds in the air.:cat-kittyandsmiley::coffee:
             
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            Well, from what I am seeing/reading, it would appear to be a little more than conspiracy theories - particularly in Scotland; what is the point in someone going to university, renting accommodation, to then be forced to do at least 80% of their course via Teams? They could do that from home.

            Colleges are no different - my daughter is in the college building for four hours per week - the rest (quite limited) is via Teams. Useless.
             
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              I disagree with that. I'd have more time for the argument if this was some rogue state going against the grain. In reality, most governments are bringing in these sorts of measures. Our's are stricter than some, laxer than others.
              There are many valid reasons to oppose government policy - we've seen a few on this thread - but it is being enacted by democratically accountable, elected policy makers, and is also being opposed by many other elected MP's, including a good proportion of Tory backbenchers. Boris could have shoved all this through with the Royal Prerogative or Parliament Act, or even the Civil Contingencies Act, whose powers are more draconian than the ones he is utilizing, even though they need re-approving every seven days.
              A key plank of KBF argument is that we're sleepwalking into loss of liberty, but as I've said before all the signs are that the people imposing these measures are determined to limit them, and after a full spell back at work I'm now more convinced than ever that councils, unions and local government are not going to increase them, even if we have millions of deaths. There is an absolute desperation to pretend we are containing the problem and, for economic reasons, to impose minimal restrictions.
              Ultimately, the government are prey to a vengeful electorate, so the idea they are engaging in a malevolent power-grab is unrealistic. They know that the more restrictions they impose, the more votes they will lose at the next election.I'm deeply saddened by the restrictions and can't wait until we're free of them, but I honestly don't see much alternative at present.
               
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                Is that phone compatible with the covid app, and if not would you buy a replacement, even if the replacement were 2 or 3 times costlier?
                 
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                Sadiq Khan's tenure ended in May of this year - no vote, but an extension under the name of Covid. The rate we are going, will that postponed election happen next year?

                The Scottish elections are also due in May of next year, and they are already setting the stage for them not happening - Scottish election contingency planning under way

                What do you call a society where tenures like those are extended without the electorate voting?
                 
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                  Good point Simon, i believe that I'd need Android 6.0 on the phone to take the app.
                  I'll be looking into it.
                   
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                  [QUOTE="Sadiq Khan's tenure ended in May of this year - no vote, but an extension under the name of Covid. The rate we are going, will that postponed election happen next year?[/QUOTE]

                  I don't have time to address all your points right now, but on London, yes they are scheduled for 2021, and the next ones in 2024, so whoever wins will only get 3 years rather than 4. That is a direct attempt to address the democratic deficit wreaked by covid, and ensure you don't end up with someone having an extra year in power thanks to the postponement. Even if that were not true, the idea that a Tory government would actively want to extend the tenure of a Labour mayor is counter-intuitive! There's literally nothing in this for the government, unless they're secretly hoping another 12 months of witnessing his policies will dissuade even more voters from backing Khan and make them switch to the Conservatives! The decision to postpone was taken entirely within existing rules, and its worth noting the government only took it after extensive consultation with public bodies, including the Electoral Commission and Local Government Council.
                   
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                    You could be right with your thoughts about the Tories wanting to make Sadiq look worse (as if that were possible!), however the simple fact that it was postponed for 12 months way back in March smells worse than a rotten fish to me. Why could those elections not have gone ahead in July or August? What happens next May when Covid-1984 is still with us?

                    Tory or Labour, they are all the same flavour to me. There is corruption galore, and we are expected to trust these people who are controlling our lives, and cannot even get them out of office when their time comes?
                     
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                    I'm not quite sure how that mutates into a conspiracy:dunno: The reason for Universities having to deal with Covid 19 being in their buildings, means they have to ask Students to self isolate if they are diagnosed with it or have been in contact with somebody who's tested positive. So far, in the UK, several hundred students have tested positive in various different Universities so face to face teaching has had to be suspended where necessary. I do think, however, that rent, etc, should be refunded for those periods.

                    From what I've seen and heard, the majority of Students don't want to leave University and do the courses from home. It's far easier, physically, for Students to keep on course by whatever means offered while actually at the University. But, again, under the present circumstances,
                    they should be entitled to recompense.
                     
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                    I am seeing different things to you then, clearly - students in Scotland in rebellion against the university (Glasgow being one in particular mentioned); another (MMU?) where students that had tested negative were not being allowed off site, being kept in with locked gates and security. Whilst I accept that not everything is presented in an honest fashion, especially nowadays there is no smoke without fire - - and the principle of dishonest representation cuts both ways
                     
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