Corona Virus Treatment

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  1. SimonZ

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    [QUOTE="Tory or Labour, they are all the same flavour to me. There is corruption galore, and we are expected to trust these people who are controlling our lives, and cannot even get them out of office when their time comes?[/QUOTE]

    They may be "the same flavour" to you, but not to most of us and not to each other. There is absolutely no way on the face of God's earth that a Tory government would in any way conspire to ensure a further year's power for a Labour Mayor, nor the other way round, in a million years. The elections were postponed due to the covid situation and have been accordingly re-scheduled. A year has been lopped off the following term in order to mitigate the irregularity. I know its tempting to try and find conspiracies or skulduggery in politics, and some people find it exciting, but if you honestly think this is the case presumably you must suspect it of every government of every country, as they're all behaving broadly similar. I agree a healthy distrust of power is good, and they should be held to account, but our Parliamentary system is a pretty good block against state control.
     
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      I wonder whether Winston smith would agree with you! :heehee:
       
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      There is always skullduggery in politics @SimonZ - politics entire being is skullduggery in one way or another. Always remember, to tell if a politician is lying, simply look for lip movement or movement of fingers over a keyboard.
       
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      Well, he lived in a country where the State was actively murdering people, rather than trying to prevent their deaths or introduce systems to trace infections and keep everybody safe, so I think he would have given his right arm to live in 2020 Britain rather than 1984 Airstrip One. If you had ever lived in a Communist country I think you would, too.
       
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      I don't think for one moment that Boris is chuffed about Sadiq getting an extension, but even you admit that the length of that extension was extremely long - does that not strike you as being odd? Given that it was in March when we (supposedly) knew less than zilch about this virus, you may well be correct that they were erring on the side of caution; you could equally take the inference that a lot more was known than was ever let on; it will be interesting to see what happens come next May, because I fully suspect that Covid will still be around by then.

      Riddle me this though, if the world's powers that be really wanted to get shot of this virus, do you not think that with a co-ordinated effort that they could (or as near enough to at least knock a substantial hole in transmission)? An infected person is infected for 7 to 14 days, so let's err on that side of caution and go for the full 14.

      Why not, in a co-ordinated fashion, arrange for everyone to build a stockpile of four weeks worth of food, and then stop everything bar absolute emergency services. Everything - no carrying on building HS2, or the that block of flats down the road - - dead stop, nothing moves, everyone stays home. The only movement of people then would be medics/ambulance (assuming everyone behaved), thus drastically reducing transmission and anyone asymptomatic would see out their incubation period whilst isolated with their families. Not easy to arrange, but not beyond the realms of possibility - or, at least it wouldn't have been if they hadn't lost the trust and respect of the public.

      Having said that, it would appear that lockdowns don't work anyway - Spain had some of the harshest restrictions, yet their infections are somewhat rampant. Masks, we were told, don't work - - in the words of Jenny Harries to use one where not surgically needed would be "quite dangerous", yet a matter of weeks later they are mandated?

      Nobody can answer how the virus seems to know how to tell when it was summer, and to back off - - can't be temperature, because apparently Brazil are one of the hardest hit? Kids are not affected we were told, yet as soon as the chiddlers go back to school, infection rates explode; is that just coincidence or is it the common cold? How does the virus tell the time? It clearly knows the difference between 10pm and 11pm according to Boris and Co.

      I am not for one minute saying there isn't a virus - clearly there is - but, how much worse is it being made by inaccurate data and poor decisions made by people who have vested interests financially?

      As for our differing views of politicians, I am obviously much more cynical than you are - through my entire life, I haven't seen a single government that wasn't embroiled in some sort of trouble at one stage or another - not one. Politicians don't put their money where their mouth is - they put OUR money where their mouth is.
       
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        Florida has given up and announced all restrictions will be removed.
         
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          The mighty Dollar comes before everything to the Republicans and the Governor, Ron Desantis, is a Republican. So, I think that, in around two weeks time, Florida will have record numbers of infections and, sadly, deaths, but the really sad thing is that the Republicans know this.
           
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            [QUOTE="Why not, in a co-ordinated fashion... [/QUOTE]

            Apart from the fact your proposal sounds unbelievably more draconian than anything you have so far opposed, it simply wouldn't work. Its hard enough trying to get people to leave the pub an hour earlier without tantrums, riots and accusations of fascism.
             
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              This illustrates precisely the point I tried making earlier. One half of people say too much is being done and warn the restrictions will bring about collapse; others warn not doing enough will bring about collapse. Anyone objectively viewing must surely see that the authorities are damned if they do, damned if they don't. There just doesn't seem to be a way of sorting it out on which everyone can agree.
               
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              Having been asking about this on many different sites and groups, I've come to the conclusion that I have no option but to buy a smartphone and download the covid-19 app. I'm not really sure what to do with it, and I don't think I need it as I'm covered by track and trace at work, and any other environment I'm in is covered by social distancing or ppe, but I'm relentlessly being told its a public duty and I'm effectively murdering people by not using it. I don't even know where to start with smartphones, but would like to ask - can I buy one compatible with this app for under £100, and if I do will I need to pay some sort of monthly contract?
               
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              Not really. Past Covid 19 history, particularly in the USA, that opening up businesses fully will result in an increase of infections and deaths. The scientific data is there for all to see, not just in the USA but globally. Balancing opening up business is a hard for any country, but USA states are following a political agenda rather than one that listens and actions on the scientific advice.
               
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              The restrictions are being lifted from businesses, restaurants and bars. So, yes Armandii the dollar speaks loudest.
               
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