Who believes Trump?

Try blacklisting your political opponents for starters...



Nick

 

He just needs to hide behind the curtain....

 

Interesting, I know/knew nothing of this. I haven’t looked into it in any depth, but again I would urge caution when one hears these kind of postings, and the conclusions drawn. Let’s not forget the convictions of those Trump aids during his term. Apparently Steve Bannon is facing a fraud charge Bannon lawyer quits fraud case after inflamatory remarks
I have no problem with those who were in positions of power being brought to account, they should be. I would though be concerned (from afar) if a list is drawn up for malicious purposes, that’s not right, imo. I guess we’ll just have to wait to see what transpires, but my guess is that it (the list, and the conclusions drawn) won’t gain any traction.

 

A very Trump-like statement. I can just hear it in his voice.

 

I've often felt this way Mike - and on some occasions haven't voted. I was once berated on this site for mentioning it, actually, even after pointing out that at that particular election (a European election) my choices were equally deplorable, including two candidates who openly praised terrorists. "Hold your nose and vote for the least bad," is possibly the worst advice I've heard, given that whoever wins doesn't get half a job if you vote half-heartedly - they are given the levers of power, and a huge salary, paid for from the public purse. I couldn't in all conscience endorse any of those people, so I spoiled my ballot. But this is a rarity for me. Usually I vote, not least for the reasons being commemorated today - too many people died for my right to do so. I would like to ask you, if you abstain on principle - why? If it is due to being of an Anarchist persuasion or for religious reasons (I know at least one denomination which forbids engagement with the democratic process) then fair enough, I may not agree but I understand, but if it is "they're all the same," then presumably you feel fine with the fact that if no-one voted we would cease to be a democracy and the state would have the right to assume power by force? I usually spend election times engaged in lengthy correspondence with the candidates, trying to find reasons to or not to vote for them, and have also tried persuading minority parties or independents to stand. Last year I tried raising the funds to stand as an independent myself, but could not do so. I do think that is ultimately the best option for anyone who is put off from voting.

 

Isn't your vote null and void if you spoil the ballot? Isn't that the reason people do it?

 

The Biden link needs some context. I think he does have Republican (in the Irish sense) sympathies, but the meeting with Adams happened when the latter was a legitimate actor in the democratic system, after he had renounced his former use of violence, not before. Since the late 1990's, almost every leading British politician has dealt with Adams and Sinn Fein, and there is nothing unusual about a US Democratic politician doing likewise. Contrast this with characters like Corbyn and McDonnell, who courted Adams back in the 80's, because they agreed with the things he was doing - such as when Corbyn invited him to Parliament shortly after the Brighton Bomb. Even if you disbelieve Adams' claims of self-reform and renouncing of violence, such a meeting now is within the remit of legitimate political business, as would be meeting with the heads of other foreign parties. Even the Queen has been obliged to host martin McGuiness at Buckingham Palace. In the case of Rita O'Hare, I agree this is on dodgier ground, though I note on looking her up that she has been the Sinn Fein Representative to the USA since 1998, so again I imagine it was well within the line of duty. If we condemn this meeting, we should condemn every time Mr Major or Mr Blair met with Sinn Fein during the Peace Process, to be consistent. Biden is passionately committed to the Good Friday Agreement. Donald Trump's rhetoric on race has been nothing short of divisive and devious, and has caused real genuine pain and fear to many Americans, deliberately. He is the closest thing we have had to a genuinely Far Right President of the USA in our lifetimes, and indeed was vocally supported by many of the most well known Nazi sympathizers in the US,such as Harold Covington, for precisely that reason. I don't think Biden is a perfect human being, but there is simply no comparison between himself and Donald Trump.

 

It didn't, it was informative. But it will have limited reach, because sober, detailed, factual information doesn't go down as well nowadays as "Its a fix!"

 

Well I think it is over here, dont think they spend time trying to track people down.

 

Yeah, this "Trump was endorsed by hurty people" claptrap is all getting rather silly and hysterical. Corbyn was endorsed by both Duke and Griffin, does that make him "Far Right"? Oh, and The Proud Boys aren't "white supremacists" as implied by a previous and unrelated post, they're Civic Nationalists led by a chap who identifies as Afro-Cuban!

Corbyn praised by former KKK grand wizard and ex-leader of far-right BNP

Enrique Tarrio - Wikipedia

Nick

 

I'm pretty sure if I was a politician someone would call me far right etc.
But to be honest I'm not really sure of the meaning, you just say how you see things.

If that puts you into a far right category and one to be slated for it, then I think you will find there are more of us out there than most dare to think.
Its just that laws regarding free speech dont exist anymore , and anyone who puts their head above the parapet gets it cut off.

 

So are you.