Who believes Trump?

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      That wasn't the Bible @shiney but a copy of 'Great Expectations'. :biggrin:
       
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        I think for Trump now it may be a copy of "Bleak House" or " Hard Times" :heehee:
         
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          Take a look.

           
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            Folks nowdays, do not tend to call it dodgy, they call it lobbying, or as Soro's calls it marketing, where he donates money for a beneficial story, but pays up front. Same process the polititians use for BS, nowdays it comes under the catagory spin.
             
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              Yeah, "philanthropic and educational causes" is one way of putting it. Another would be funding divisiveness and indoctrination. The guy is a Leftist globalist who blames "Jewish tribalism" for anti-Semitism. That's just victim-blaming. Also linked to people who support the Anti-Israeli BDS movement and other such movements.

              Soros Hack Reveals Evidence of Systemic Anti-Israel Bias

              The irony here is that he is just the sort of person Far-Right anti-Semites reference when they odiously accuse prominent Jews of "manipulating world affairs from behind the scenes". You'd think he'd have the insight to grasp that. :scratch: But it's rarely the case with the ideologically possessed...

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                Trump is a NUTTER.

                Take a look on you tube. Trump's nieces interview.
                 
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                Well, he just hasn't been certified yet Mike, neither has Biden. :biggrin:

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                  Neither have you or I yet, Nick.

                   
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                    Shush, medical professionals might be reading this! :yikes::nonofinger::biggrin:

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                      Too late! :doh: :th scifD36:
                       
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                        Can you provide evidence of the bungs you mentioned - from George Soros and Hilary Clinton - to the Snopes website? Since I asked you last time, I've been looking left right and centre,and the claim appears to be completely false.

                        As far as the child separation policy is concerned, it was a Trump policy, not initiated by Obama. There were instances of unaccompanied children being held in detention but, according to Politifact, "the assertion that Trump was implementing the same policy as Obama is false ... Obama's immigration policy specifically sought to avoid breaking up families. While some children were separated from their parents under Obama, this was relatively rare and families were quickly reunited even if that meant the release of a parent from detention. The Obama Administration did consider separating families, but decided against it."

                        I have no doubt you will now tell me that Politifact is biased or raise questions about its funding, however all I know is that it has imposed rigorous, critical scrutiny of both Republican and Democratic Presidents, and is widely regarded as a trustworthy project, not suspected or accused of receiving bungs.
                         
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                            As for the Clinton Soro's, Soros has admitted, no need to explain, Hilary clinton in 2016, paid for stories of her Xhusband to not be released in order to save her election chances, with regards to Bill taking flights with lolitta express the private airline owned by Jeffery Epstein, sources are available on the net.
                             
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                              It says "(Trump's policy)... meant that parents were now being referred into the custody of the Department of Justice — while their children were separated from them and reclassified as “unaccompanied minors.”

                              and: "Trump made separating families a matter of standard practice. Obama did not."

                              and: "families were separated only in particular circumstances — for instance, if a father was carrying drugs — that went above and beyond a typical case of illegal entry.
                              We don’t know how often that happened, but we know it was not a widespread or standard practice.
                              Under the Trump administration, though, it became increasingly common. A test of “zero tolerance” along one sector of the border in summer 2017 led to an unknown number of family separations. Seven hundred families were separated between October 2017 and April 2018."

                              It explains: "Both presidents housed “unaccompanied” minors in temporary facilities — but under Obama, they’d pretty much all arrived in the US unaccompanied," and that Obama focused on adults and families, and that the latter were always detained together "until the courts stepped in" - which I imagine is standard practise in most countries including the UK - but that Trump signed an executive order which meant in practise that children were separated from their parents on entry.

                              Under Barack Obama, children were separated from parents when authorities had concerns for their well-being or could not confirm that the adult was in fact their legal guardian, but not as a blanket policy. Under Trump's "zero tolerance" approach, these separations went up and were for a time unofficial policy.
                               
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