Corona Virus Treatment

Agree, They could have found somewhere nearer home to walk. I found it appalling one of them was quoted as saying they thought someone had been murdered (going by the number of police cars there). Given that I have lost two cousins plus last week another family member (only 52 years old), the rule breakers are responsible for the murders.

I see some people holding the Police responsible! Also the police can't win either way so they must be respected.

 

This is just Woos personal point of view

Good morning @JWK my friend I am sorry for your loss But I find the above statement rather a generalisation ,saying that I am not defending their actions,you are always going to get people behaving differently its the nature of human beings,there are different levels of intelligence ,emotions,thoughts and circumstances ect,enjoy your day and stay safe my friend

 

It seems Derbyshire Police have been pushed into reconsidering their position -https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55547302

But later, the force said new guidance from the National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC) had "clarified the policing response concerning travel and exercise".

The guidance said: "The Covid regulations which officers enforce and which enables them to issue FPNs [fixed penalty notices] for breaches, do not restrict the distance travelled for exercise.

 

Yes, but it is "advice" and has to be taken in that context. UK Governments do not, and cannot, mandatory impose restrictions unless in a state of War or declared National Emergency and neither has been declared in this case despite that fact that we are obviously in the latter, without the passing of legislation. So, the advice is not just that of the Government, but they are blamed for it, as they are the "Mouthpiece" of the Scientists, Medical Authorities, SAGE, etc, so have to restrain it to being advice on which individuals must cogitate and take their own decisions.
You cannot criticise advice that takes into consideration as much freedom of personal freedom while trying to maintain the protection and shielding of those who need it. They are always in the position of not being able to please all of the people all of the time.
If the Government was to change the advice to one of a mandatory ruling they would be, and have been, attacked for taking away the Human Rights of individuals just by strengthening certain restrictions in order to try to stop further mass infections while trying to maintain the balance of freedom of people to decide what is the right thing, for themselves, to do when shielding.
So, are you saying that the e-mail advice is wrong and that (a) no advice should be offered, (b) that the e-mail text should have been draconic and mandatory instructing people to stay indoors whatever their personal needs of shielding?
The UK Government, unlike certain other Governments, has in "normal" times only certain legal powers that cannot take away the natural freedom of it's people and that is recognised by the Government and the UK population. It can only, therefore, try to maintain that democratic balance by trying to give the minimum legal restrictions while trying to persuade people to behave responsibly and that their actions affect the safety of others by giving advice from Scientist, Medical Organisations that leaves the individual the freedom to decide.

 

Gawd, pete, that "latest" was put forward in late November last year by Scientists, Doctors, and the Media, so it's old hat. Most people have, I believe, had that possible reality in the back of their minds while hoping that the optimistic opinions would work out.
So, the wearing of masks, social distancing and the possibility of having to place other restrictions on any specific areas where there is an outbreak going on into 2022 has been already recognised. I, personally, hope that that doesn't happen but we have to recognise, and it has, that it'll be a long time before we return to a "normal" existence.
The Vaccines are only tools that we can use to help but the real cure lies in the hands of the people who, for whatever justification or reason, still continue to think their own behaviour comes before that of others.

 

Good afternoon all my friends just on a positive (if that word is allowed on this thread)note its 4.20pm and its getting lighter every day

ps I tried reading the above two posts but nodded off half way through them

 

I have no trust in what the US White House Staff puts out as news, but they are saying that a new separate variant of the Covid 19 has been identified in one of the States.

 

I actually wasn't criticising that particular piece of advice in relation to me - not going out for exercise from March through to September utterly knackered my physical health (particularly my respiratory system) let alone the mental health issues. My criticism is, and always has been, the lack of any form of guidance or control for people who live with and care for someone who is clinically extremely vulnerable. Please also bear in mind that the paragraph quoted was in response to you in relation to the transmission of the new variant of the virus where it was inferred that it could be caught in the open air (parks etc) which is contrary to the advice that has been given since the start.

If there was a belief that this variant, or the SA variant was transmissible out in the open whilst exercising outdoors, then maybe there should be an instruction to for shielders to stay home completely - however, whilst the virus has clearly mutated, I am doubtful that its methods of transmission have changed, and the suggestion that this may be the case is simply something that someone has thought up as a potential reason for people not travelling a few miles to exercise in an open space.

You are correct that the government are the mouthpiece, the only thing I would add is that it is 'selected' scientists as those who disagree or offer a different perspective are dismissed out of hand as conspiracy theorists (despite being highly qualified individuals)