Corona Virus Treatment

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  1. pete

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    Yes, I get that, people will do silly things.

    But, bearing in mind the vaccination is supposed to stop bad reaction to infection, and bearing in mind younger people in general have milder symptoms you would think they would accept that restrictions should be eased fairly soon.

    But they dont seem to be very confident, which I find a bit worrying as the main idea has always been to protect the NHS.
    Which the vaccine should do, if it works.
     
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    Damned if they do, damned if they don't. pete:dunno:
     
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      Agreed, but tends to show they are not too sure when it comes to the vaccination effect.
       
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        Well, it's been repeated time and again, pete, by the Media, Government, and Scientists that because of the fact that COVID 19 is a completely new Virus nothing at all was known about it from the start:wallbanging:, but in a miraculously short time various effective vaccines have been created, trials carried out, data analysed, and then decisions to spend Billions of pounds, getting the vaccine out. The reality was, and always has been, having to wait and see just how well they give a protection. It's not the Silver Bullet that everyone thinks and wants it to be so we have to recognise that nobody is 100% about anything in this fast moving pandemic but so long as the vaccines are effective enough to save lives then I salute the Scientists, Medics, and Government that got it into peoples arms so swiftly.
        It's the same as people wanting a clear, concise decision and date now as to when the Lock down can be brought to an end..........it's impossible and again it's a case of wait and see.
         
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          There is much doubt at the moment because we are not seeing a significant positive effect from the vaccination program. We have now vaccinated a large proportion of our population who are in the at risk age groups, so the scientists were expecting a significant drop in hospital admissions. The numbers are dropping but that is due to lockdown restrictions.
           
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            Yes, @JWK I guess the vaccination has not yet kicked in, but it should do very soon, if it is going to work.
            We need to wait and see if the hospitalisations change from older age groups to younger ones.
             
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              That's already happening as the larger proportion of admissions are the 55-65 age group - according to the office of national statistics.

              Whether that is due to the older group having been vaccinated is debateable. It's possible that they are just being more careful - or a combination of both.
               
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                The vaccine will provide some protection to those vaccinated, plus reduce risk of spread of infection to the unvaccinated, but from what I was reading a week or more ago, there could be a big decrease in deaths, but actually be an overall increase in hospital admissions.
                 
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                  If that is the case, then the vaccine, in one way, would be getting us nowhere, regarding the lifting of restrictions.
                   
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                    It's not a case of just relying solely on the vaccines, pete, with regard to restrictions. The vaccines are only part of the solution jigsaw. Infections have to come down as well as the death rate.
                    We need to get the NHS back to a reasonable state of normality, we will need to keep social distancing, wearing a mask, the washing of hands practiced for probably another year or more. If we lift the restrictions too soon with or without the vaccines we'll be back to where we were before with the virus sweeping the Nation.
                    If we can get the infections to the lowest level possible we can then deal properly with the Hot Spots. I think that when restrictions on air travel, etc, are lifted in any manner, all countries will want proof of Covid tests before people can leave the countries and get back in the countries and any country suffering another wave in the future will be back on the banned list yet again......it ain't over, until it's over.:dunno:
                     
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                      Just to stop this going round in circles. :smile:
                       
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                        i read that Isreal has reported no more deaths since vaccinanation started
                         
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                          @Jiffy I was on a Zoom yesterday with America, Australia, Brazil and Israel (our family are spread far and wide) and Israel has had between 20 and 40 deaths a day so far this months. It's nothing like the hundreds and thousands we are getting but there are some. Their infection rate went up after they lifted the strictest part of the lockdown but the death rate didn't.

                          Most of the deaths have been occurring in the ultra-orthodox religious sector where they have been ignoring all lockdown restrictions, not having the vaccinations and live in very crowded conditions because they don't believe in birth control.

                          Outside of those, the death rate is minimal.
                           
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                            Just watching a bit of the cricket.

                            They don't seem to be worried about social distancing there. :biggrin:
                             
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                              Neither do they do it at football and rugby - and they have all that hugging afterwards.

                              Also, have you noticed that a lot of footballers have had haircuts. Where do they get those????
                               
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