LATEST MOAN FROM YOU AND ME - 2021

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  1. shiney

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    some local councils are talking about banning smoking in outdoor eating areas (e.g. pub gardens and restaurant pavement areas. The government is to announce something next week as well.
     
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      Good morning everyone nothing to moan about to day:smile:
       
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        In regards to the source of information
        I used to volunteer in camden at a day centre for homless people, j met and spoke to a lot of people with diffrent addictions and health problems from said addictions.
        All the long term spice smokers complained from pain around the hart area.
        We managed to convince one woman to attend regular medical assessment with an understanding gp
        After receiving the xray results we found out that her constant pain is due to her Aorta being damaged snd restricted.

        In regards to cigarette companies adding spice derivatives.
        I know what that crap smells like
        You learn very quickly when its being smoked by a person who tells you what it is they are smoking.
        Yes nicotine is addictive and it is still being added to tobacco but spice is cheap and is being used to make rolling tobacco even more addictive.

        Also it spice has changed now and it is even more destructive

        And dodgy criminal gangs are adding it to waccy-baccy
        As long as they control the trade, it will continue to harm users who think they know what they are consuming

        And ask petty patel about the cigarette companies she knows exactly what they are up to, after all she is a lobbyist for tobbaco companies
         
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        Good!
        At least smokers will have a chance to be free without temptation allowing them to stop smoking

        But in reality think its just a way to get tobacco companies to pay
        bribes to prevent it from becoming law.

        If that becoms reality Everyone wins apart from cigarette companies.

        Our home secretary is a lobbyist for tobacco companies as well as other immoral entities
         
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        Not quite sure that will apply to back gardens though
         
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        Not quite sure that tobacco companies will be bribing local authorities, nor have I seen any evidence that Priti Patel is a lobbyist for tobacco companies. I am probably one of the most sceptical/cynical folks you will find here on GC, but even my moo-poo alarm is ringing here, not least as some of your allegations are very serious indeed (and I would question if they are not libellous) - you may not be Dr Christian, but that doesn't mean you won't end up in front of a judge.
         
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        • pete

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          What are these immoral entities.
          This is getting interesting now :biggrin:
           
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            It is already law here. No smoking at public venues. Including pub patios -whether people are eating or not. They have to step outside the patio to toke/smoke.
             
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              I get it is serious thats why it will be my last post on this
              So please let me explain

              The process of blocking legislation or a government to do anything is quite simple

              There are many tools international corporations have at their disposal,
              for example:

              1)Owning a few MPs by secretly or publicly paying a minster of parliament.
              Especially a minster of parliament that knows where the bodies are buried...

              Priti Patel - TobaccoTactics

              Or

              2)Trade "deals"
              new deals will have protection for corporations and private companies
              For example
              A government cannot change or make any new law that would impact the sales or profitability within that country's boarders.

              If a government for example choses to raise minimum wage, ban the use of sulphates in ham or ban smoking in public
              That government can be taken to a private court hidden from the public and any payments towards a settlement would remain secret.

              And the court costs are paid by the taxpayers even if the government wins like the case of Australia vs a famous tobacco company
              Australia made a law for plain packaging to be on tobacco, it had to go court and won but had to pay 24000000 costs!


              There are other means also available
              but i this is a gardening website

              Btw i would love a day in court with her or any of the senior staff given the fact that i personally have contracted rone 3 times so far and lets not forget the 180k+ people we lost
               
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              Canda is better than the UK in many ways
               
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              This won't go down well with Rishi - he needs as much tax coming in as he can muster. Council's have no chance of policing this non smoking business - they are short staffed and the pubs aren't going to dob in paying punters - especially not now when we are recovering from Covid.

              Boris needs to turn his attention to the covid situation in Africa - get our surplus vaccines over there pronto.
               
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              An election would sort that out - a successor government is not bound by its predecessor's actions.

              Under Governments of both flavours the minimum wage has increased. There is now such a thing as the 'living wage' - which was coming in when I still worked for the Council. Didn't see any court cases relating to these.

              Do you mean a judicial review to determine whether the Goverment has acted within its powers? You can't take the Government to Court because you don't like their decisions - you must believe that the Government did not have the legal authority to make that decision and then you can challenge them in the Courts.

              If the Government has done wrong they will offer compensation to settle the matter - saving the expense of a Court case and protecting public money.

              Councils/Government can't do what they like - there must be an Act of Parliament which gives them the duty/power to take certain action.

              Rant over...:rolleyespink:
               
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                I have bad news
                Your moo poo allarm has been reprogrammed.
                Somebody flipped the code around the opposit way.

                To test it out simply listen to some radio or watch a minster speaking about what good they have done for the people
                If you find it not ringing especially while listening to LBC or the senior staff of the con party
                Then you will know its definitely been reprogram
                 
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                Well done for doing that I would never the self cofifdence to do it.
                While accept your personal experiences I was hoping for more hard facts along the lines of a "Study of ABC showed XYZ" and a reference to a scientific/medical journal.
                One of the problems of being a scientist is a liking for good solid data.

                While I wouldn't trust any politician; I think direct bribery in the UK is a thing of the past.
                Maybe in some countries but not in the UK; although there can be reporting restrictions and details of any settlement especially an out of court one can be kept confidential.
                Most tribunals are also reported if not publicised. Exceptions being those dealing with security matters
                 
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                Nope
                The Uk Australia deal for example will still be a legal agreement on the level of a treaty.
                No matter how many elections it will remain the law.
                Untill the treaty is broken or both parties sign a new one.

                That was an example of what has happend in a third world country. And now that yhe document has been signed can happen here.

                If the Government has done wrong they will offer compensation to settle the matter - saving the expense of a Court case and protecting public money.




                Exactly they cannot change the laws if the act is aborted because it would go against the new agreements we signed
                Hands are tied lol


                I know the truth hurts
                Especially as people voted to get control over the laws yada yada ya

                But Have you seen the UK Australia Trade Deal

                Do you know that as part of that deal they can take us to a new secret court?
                And the tax payers pay for this.

                For example If we decide to make a new law that impacts Australian beef farmers profits
                This new court will be held in secret
                We pay for this new courts costs
                A new court that we do not control!


                Stopping us from protecting uk farmers.

                If all this is too much for you
                Have a cucumber sandwich and a cupa tea
                And imagine your garden is the entire universe
                It might work[/QUOTE]
                 
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