Best Supplier Of Compost 2021

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    We use a fair amount of multi purpose and don't use any specialised composts and when we get the occasional bad bag of compost it goes back when we get the next lot. I've never quite worked out why two bags bought in the same batch (off the same stack at the shop) can be so different. :scratch:

    As most of ours is used for plants that will eventually be going into the ground in someone's garden we don't have a great deal of problem with just using bog (or non-bog) standard compost. If it was going to be for plants in a permanent position in a pot/tub I would get a specialised compost for it. I would then get that from one of our local independent nurseries that blends their own.

    Since Covid we're down to only buying about 2,000 litres a year from the normal 6,000. I don't think we shall ever go back up to the larger amount as coming out of Covid is now going to compete with getting too old and doddery :old: :heehee:. I now get someone to load and unload the compost for me. :)
     
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      At this moment in time, my only source of peat is coming in from Lithuania.
      It comes in on pallets of 4.5 cube and has been through a 0-10mm screen, ideal for seed compost but I personally believe it is to fine for Multipurpose. Below is an image of the peat from Lithuania, there is also images of peat that has come out of the end of the trommel screen, this we would use when containerising ornamental trees in large pots.

      When I make John Innes N02 & N03, I add a percentage of fraction 2 peat (0-25mm) I never get any complaints from the semi or commercial growers, yet Joe public will complain stating that there is debris in the compost and all compost should be fine. fine1.jpg fine3.jpg fract.jpg fraction4.jpg
       
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        Very interesting gks. Re my perhaps just a bad batch of Jack’s. I, being Joe public,do not think it right that what is deemed to be quality multipurpose compost should contain lots of hard lumps of peat about the size of Brazil nuts that are so hard they did not break when I jumped up and down on them:).
        I have a friend who is a commercial grower and I have seen the quality of the compost he has delivered loose by artics. What I saw looked considerably better than what I got recently!:ideaIPB: I am going to ask him if I can fill some bags of what he gets and that way I can see exactly what I am getting. Thanks gsk, would never have thought of asking him had it not been for your post. A decent bottle of whisky should encourage him to part with a few bags!
         
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        I contacted our local MP regarding the phasing out of peat and could she clarify which sectors. I have had a response and its very clear they are wanting to phase out peat to the amateur sector by the end of the current parliament term.

        Yet, Defra secretary of state George Eustice's new peat strategy proposes introducing a ban or “a point-of sale charge for the purchase of growing media containing peat, using the plastic bag charge as a model”.
         
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          So 'phased out by end of parliamentary term' really means we'll grab the op for making money from joe public and slap 50p on the bags!
           
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            I wonder what is the % of peat used in horticulture by the amateur in comparison to commercial? Why should there be a distinction anyway? This does not make sense to me other than the commercial growers would be up in arms and make loud noises while us amateurs do not really have a platform to be heard. This smacks of the politicians being apparently seen to be trying to save the planet but in reality just lip service as per usual. Bit like new social housing being built not far from here. Each property has 2 solar panels about the size you could stick in your eye positioned on each roof.......snag there is a large hill behind them which will block out any sun between about October and April:rolleyespink:, saving the planet my backside just box ticking.
             
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              If they go down the route of a levy at point of charge, then it will be more like £4.80 on a 100L bag of compost if there is peat in the mixture. Would I support it, yes but only if it is imposed to all sectors. If it is only going to target the amateurs, I will not be supporting it.
               
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                Typical, 'peat free' still wont be good enough for home veg productions and gardens, but 'amateurs' don't matter and will be allowed to struggle/fail, only business matters and will continue using peat until a suitable alternative is available.

                And the commercials will be able to make a huge amount of money selling plants to amateurs using exactly the same amount of peat the amateurs would have used to do it themselves.

                I intend stockpiling a huge amount of peat based compost, but I'm a bit short of space in my garden as I've got a huge stockpile of coal bought for my open fire at £1/bag the day before sales were banned.
                 
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                  I can rent you some space to stockpile it at a charge per bag :whistle: :heehee:
                   
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                    The government are talking about banning domestic use by 2024 (or a levy) but haven't set any target for professional use. This implies that they agree the peat free stuff is not comparable. They're blaming the compost companies for not producing the goods but don't seem to do anything to help with finding an alternative.

                    They say they are going to 'consult' with the industry over when they will phase out peat based compost.

                    Dobbies are setting up a compost bag recycling initiative. It's hailed as part of their sustainability commitment but it just seems a good commercial ploy to get people into their centres.

                    Although I get dozens of bags a year the empty ones all get used for a variety of purposes but usually for lining cardboard boxes that we take from the bins of the local supermarket (with their permission) to use for transport for the plants we sell. It's only a minor upcycling but better than nothing. We also use them to cover the patio when conditions are muddy as we can't get from the front garden to the back without crossing it.
                     
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                      I've probably said this before.
                      But I wonder what is used as potting compost in parts of the world that don't have peat deposits.
                       
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                        Like Shiney I save all the compost bags. They get used for collecting kindling for our wood burning stoves and as a good weed suppressor/ soil warmer on my veg patches. I haven’t thrown a bag out in years.
                         
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                        I used mostly Wickes this year (second year running) and it was dire this year - very woody. I bought four bales of Miracle Gro the other night and it is considerably better.
                         
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                          I bought some Westland peat free MPC this year, it looked very similar to the peat based stuff. I intended to run a small trial to compare but forgot and used it all up on pots I didn't mark as peat free. I haven't noticed anything different amongst my plants. It was around £1 bag more expensive.
                           
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                            The one thing I have noticed is some 'sudden death' - beetroot seedlings to be precise, planted in the Wickes compost. It is odd as one barrel has started to fail and yet the adjacent barrel is fine. Most peculiar.
                             
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