Corona Virus Treatment

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  1. pete

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    I think what I have been listening to on the news is a bit more informed than that.:roflol:

    They might publish figures 3 weeks out of date, but basically we really want to know what is happening now, those figures are history, I'm sure someone is keeping an official running total, I mean lets face it we have been getting the numbers every day now for nearly two years so its not inconceivable that running totals of people in hospital who are vaccinated is not available.
     
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      Share price is not everything, although it is part of it.
      Anyone looked up Pfizer, they are the ones making the big bucks I would think.

      Share price will rise just before dividend payouts and then drop back, I'm sure the dividends are worth having.
      Only idiots like me hang on to shares, the people in the know are buying and selling.
       
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      nothing wrong with hanging on to shares - as long as they go up. :heehee:
       
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        Tell me about it.:frown:
         
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          Interesting breakdown from our national Friday numbers ...
          The greatest number of new cases diagnosed is in the age group between 20 and 29 years old (2,202), followed by 30 to 39 years old (1,756), from 10 to 19 years old (1,368). from 40 to 49 years old (1,258), from 50 to 59 years old (1,255), up to 9 years old (742), from 60 to 69 years old (627), from 70 to 79 years old (221) and elderly people over 80 years (103).
           
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            Boris is looking at the figures now. I hope he isn't silly enough to try and impose another lock down. The Old Bill have already told him that people won't comply and enforcement will be impossible.
             
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            This says all that needs to be said @clanless

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            From the government's own data - https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

            Clearly shows deaths reducing, and massively below last winter. However, we know that they will still impose more restrictions because they can.... let's hope I am wrong.
             
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              Apparently Omicron has a shorter incubation period than Delta - if you are going into hospital - it will be 10 days after infection.

              If we were going to be hit hard by another wave of admissions - it would have happened by now. South Africa - it's fizzling out there.

              It's looking like Omicron is 11% less dangerous than Delta - the wall of immunity from either natural infection or vaccine is turning it into a cold - and even then some will have no symptoms at all.

              Despite what Whitters says - Omicron is replacing Delta - it is doing a cracking job of wiping out Delta. As Omicron cases go up - Delta cases go down.

              But - if you are unvaccinated - it's a different story....
               
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                Don't forget it's summer time in South Africa now so comparison with the uk needs to be careful.
                 
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                  I had no idea covid was still going on??????;)
                  And there was me thinking it was all over.:redface:
                  Not seen any news since last week, when all the cartoons and kids stuff started on the TV.

                  While cleaning out some paint brushes in the shed I came across a local news paper from back last March, it said the end is in sight as things are now getting back to normal.:roflol::roflol:
                   
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                    If covid becomes less of a problem I still think mask wearing and restrictions will become normal every winter.
                    If not covid it will be flu or any other disease that normally occurs during winter, they know they can do it now, and all in the name of protecting the NHS.

                    Once quoted as "the new normal", well if its new it aint normal, but they will make it so.
                     
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                      I don't mind wearing a mask when in public places. Indoors that is. And it is mandatory up here anyway, to wear a mask when visiting an indoor public facility, store, etc.

                      @JWK I agree that it is very hard to compare the impact of corona from country to country. And it doesn't stop at the difference in seasons as even borders make a difference.
                      I truly believe the rules in various locations change the number of cases.

                      I'll use locations near me with the same type of weather to start comparing.

                      My province has a lower percentage of cases than Quebec and several of the east coast provinces have far less than us. They all mask and their vaccination rates are similar to ours.

                      I was across the border in the U.S. a couple of weeks back (Dec 3) and only about 5% of the people I walked amongst inside a grocery store were wearing masks. I don't know if the other mask wearers were other Canucks like me or not.

                      At the moment our province has a record high of nearly 10K new cases of covid (hopefully mostly omicron) per day which has a population of 14.57 million. Our vaccination rate is 88% fully dosed, 90% only one shot so far. Only 20% with the new booster. That would certainly make my location not comparable to say, Ohio where they have less than 60% vaccination rate and more than double the total cases in a population that is about 20% smaller than Ontario and only Columbus (their state capital) has mandatory masking in public places.

                      New York state has a higher rate of vaccination (70% fully dosed, 80% and their percentage of population with the virus is quite a bit higher than ours. New York state had an average of 32K cases per day, as of Dec 26, with a population of 8.5 million, some 40% less than Ontario. Their mask rules didn't come into effect until the 10th, so maybe because I was there the week before, pandora's box was already opened to make the masking less effective?

                      Those masks do seem to make a huge difference? Yup, I think that is the common denominator.

                      10K cases per day is a scary number for our province but our hospitalization rate has not jumped appreciably in spite of all the hyping about the possibility of overwhelming our healthcare services.

                      I think it all comes down to high vaccination rates creating milder cases and mask rules for protecting each other by reducing the actual numbers of cases. :dunno:

                      And of course omicron was a big game changer. Fewer critical cases in a higher volume of infected.

                      So many factors.. :doh:
                       
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                        I'm quite happy to wear a mask in indoor busy places. I've never liked the idea of people coughing and sneezing around me when I'm in shops etc. Also, having travelled extensively in Asia I got used to seeing people walking around with masks well before Covid. In some countries it was considered impolite to walk around without a mask if you had a cough or cold and in a lot of crowded cities they wore them because of air pollution. :noidea:
                         
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                          I'd say that the mask-wearing, hand sanitising and distancing has proven beyond any doubt that those measures could reduce or eliminate all the usual French 'plagues' i.e. colds, 'flu and gastro-enteritis. I doubt that it'll be adopted as a matter of course, though. :sad:
                           
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                            People should be washing hands etc as a matter of course. I am less convinced that the masks and distancing are having any effect however - if you listen to the news they are telling us that Omnicon is raging, despite all these measures being in place.
                             
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