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      Interesting that one charging point was available but not compatible with her van?
      Are they saying that there is more than one system?
      Is it not all compatible.
       
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      There is the Tesla infrastructure which cannot be used by any other make. The rest were all compatible with my i3 as far as I know, however mine couldn't use a fast charger so it took me longer to charge on a public charger. Mine came with two types of charging cables, I used the granny type mostly with a 13 amp plug. The other one worked on public charging points, with my lease deal I could charge for free on a certain network but there were none on my commute route so I had to get a card for another network. It's not straightforward.
       
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        Both these cases seem fair to me. The supermarkets and parking bays allow you to top up while shopping. Not to fully charge your car. Doing that is unfair to other EV shoppers.
         
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          Do you not have an EV now then John? @JWK .
           
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            I only got my EV temporarily after I retired and then got offered a short contract. It was 9 months and so I leased rather than bought the BMW i3 and just handed it back when we went into the first lockdown and I could work from home. I had toyed with idea of getting an EV previously so it was a good experience. They are good for regular commutes and shopping but not for longer or unplanned journeys. We still had our main diesel car for those.
             
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              So, Tesco are shouting that they have 500 sites with charging points. Then they say they have 1,000 charging points. So they have the massive number of two per store :rolleyespink: What are the odds that you will find one free when you want it? :doh:
               
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                @shiney I shop at Tesco Extra so the parking area is large. Last week there was only one car using the charging point while I was there. Tesco are providing top up charging for those shopping in the store and not for all day use. This is also free, so I think they deserve a pat on the back for providing the service. It's a good start and hopefully others will follow suit.

                I know that some, if not all Premier Inn Hotels have all day charging points. If more business chains took up the idea then it would help promote the idea of owning an electric vehicle. The cost of buying one of these vehicles is high at the moment and I think those that can afford them are shy of the idea because of the lack of charging facilities.
                 
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                  @Sheal I agree that it's a good idea but down here the Tesco is in a town with a population of around 95,000 and a catchment area of around another 20,000. Friends that do have electric cars say they have never found they had access to the charging points. :dunno: So, obviously, they are in use most, or all, of the time but I don't think it demonstrates that it draws shoppers so can't see it being much more than an advertising point. I would guess that with the soaring price of electricity it is unlikely to encourage other free charging points.

                  Certainly agree with that! Even the people I know that have electric cars and have installed charging points at home say the added up front cost of the car is not offset by the savings on fuel.
                   
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                    I see charging points in most retail car parks around here but I think the chances of you getting on one is pretty remote even with the few EV that are around.
                    I just wonder how many of these places can actually afford to lose parking space by turning it into charging space. Parking is one of the biggest problem when going anywhere I find, there is never enough.
                     
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                      Where I live, Copeland, there is 2 charging points at Tesco and 1 in Morrisons. Of all the local fuel stations, none have an EV charger. There is charging points at the council offices, staff only and the business park, staff only but there is only a couple at each. I don't think there is any charging points at any of the town car parks.

                      There is more parking spaces in town than there was 20 years ago, yet people still say they don't come into town because parking is an issue, really, what they really mean is they expect to park for free.

                      For businesses to install these chargers there is a cost, so if I was to have some installed for staff and customers that cost will need to be factored into my pricing. Premier Inn, as mentioned are installing more EV chargers, they actually don't have that many according to zap. Yet Whitbread the owner of Premier Inn announced in January they were to increase room rates with the increase in energy being one of the reasons, yet Travelodge are doing the opposite and are offering more cheaper accommodation.

                      We need to be getting people out of their cars and back to using public transport, which needs huge investment.
                       
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                        I think public transport, locally any way is pretty much dead.
                        They have just closed the last two park and ride schemes here as the council won't subsidise it any longer.

                        Covid has put the final nail in those kind of things.

                        I don't think anyone should expect to get free charging anymore than people should expect free parking but the prices should be fair and not just a means of making profits for carpark companies.
                         
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                          That seems to be the case locally. I have had a free bus pass for 3 years now and have used it once. I tried last week to use the bus into Guildford for a medical appointment but to ensure I got there on time I needed to catch one 2 hours in advance and even then the live reporting couldn't confirm they were running. It's a mile away so I just walked instead. It would have cost me £4 for an hour to park, which is a lot compared to elsewhere. We just visited a small town in Sussex and parked all day for the same price which seemed fair.
                           
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                            Parking is free at hospitals, here in Scotland. Makes it even harder to get a space. I usually park in a local side street and walk the rest.
                             
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                              My local park, as in open ground, now charges £2 to park.
                              For that you get up to six hours, so if you just want to take the dog for its daily walk its exorbitant , if you come from further away and bring the kids on a day out its cheap.

                              Why do I think some people are being discriminated against.
                               
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