The Walipini Project (aka greenhouse shenanigans)

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    Just out of interest, does it still have steam pipes attached to that firebox at the entrance end ? I partly restored a similar house in a 'borrowed ' Edwardian garden some years ago. It was liable to flooding when the water table rose, making visits interesting at times!
     
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    It does, although one section is missing. I'm leaving them in place as I like the look and it adds a bit more character. The firebox is in a dismal state; the front disintegrated and the liner likewise but the box itself is a big lump of iron and not going anywhere!
     
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    I admit to being curious how they work in practice. The theory is simple enough but how often and long were they run?

    I discovered a soakaway in the corner recently after clearing an area of the greenhouse I'd left for a couple of years!
     
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    I did not try to use the heating, rusted as you say. I imagine that it worked on the principal of a storage heater, so a slow fire in afternoon to heat the cast iron mass to give overnight warmth, presumably with a heavy damper to maintain a smoldering fire, possibly remaining lit 24//7. There was no circulation device, therefore convection only.
    Soakaway, haha, I fell into the pit* which had a flimsy wooden cover, buried for at least 10 years since last used.
    *40 gallon steel drum on end
     
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    That sounds about right. I did poke about in the firebox but didn't find a vent to the 4" piping which I thought odd but I guess it must just use the heat radiated from the lump of iron. The firebox must have had some sort of flue fitted but that's disintegrated by now!

    I've been looking and sketching the roofing. I wanted it to have less rafters than originally and have decided (for now!) on 7 panels rather than the original 13. This should mean less work in crafting the rafters at any rate. On the larger end of the greenhouse its about 2m from peak to gutter line and the spacing will be about 61cm / 2ft so a hefty bit of glass. My next choice is in selecting the right rafter dimension - will a 3x2" be adequate?
     
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    For ventilation I'll create some windows at the side and end walls so the roof won't have any but this should be OK
     
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    Have you considered Twinwall polycarbonate using their rafter and joint fittings. They must do vent kits as well. How long is the greenhouse?, thinking you probably do need roof vents.
     
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      I think it would have been via a back boiler/water jacket. Open at the top so no pressure
      'Mine' had a short (9ft) brick flue.
      It might be worthwhile designing the roof as 'standard' modules, with a view to getting a joinery shop to knock them up. Arrive knocked-down for careful self assembly Simple, repititous rectangular rebated frames to screw together with a bead of sealer should not be much more expensive than buying the timber at retail prices. Cedar would be first choice, or tanellised softwood.Glazing as greenhouse, lapped to use off- the- peg glass sizes. Incorporate at least 2 opening fan lights would be my preference, (sub divide a 'standard ' panel as described before)
       
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      One end (larger) is 4.5m and the other 3.5m. with gable openings and side windows it should be ok. If not I'll retrofit something
       
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      Having modules designed and made sounds very pricey. I'm happy with setting up a ridge beam and doing the rafters in either 3x2 or 4x2
       
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      I'd go for 4x2 minimum, it's surprising how heavy glass is and you need to allow for a couple of foot of snow once in a blue moon
       
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      I think you might be right John. The last roof had smaller rafters but nearly twice as many to spread the load
       
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      Timber arrived on Monday and I have to say I've not been that organised. Anyway, it's taken to today to get the toplate cut, half lap joints cut and mortared in place. Soon I can do the ridge and rest of it...

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        Now you're putting the woodwork together it will start to look like a greenhouse again. :) What is happening at the front, right hand side Loofah?
         
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        That will be a window. There were 4, two front and two back, but I removed the separating wall at the front for a bit of added light. Assuming the whole thing doesn't collapse of course!
         
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