Tomato Growing Thread 2022

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    As John says, bin the compost. By using the compost on your garden you are increasing the risk of disease in the soil due to, long-lived resting spores.
     
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      It might even be some kind of contamination within the grow bags or a mineral excess.
       
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        I'll have to check over my toms, the cold nights are probably making it pointless to carry on with them
         
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          Must be said the posts regarding overwintering spores is a little worrying. However does composting not destroy such things? I mention this because 'dumping' the old compost will probably mean that the compost finds its way into 'green waste'? I've never worried (before) about the possibility of overwintering spores. Used compost has/is always mixed with other composts for potting compost, though never I suppose for tomatoes or potatoes. Curiously I'm planning to plant Broad Beans into the reservoir pots of my outdoor Tom's when I pull out this years' Tom plants! I reasoned that the compost was better than the soil the pots are buried in!!? When I reason even more regarding possible contaminated soil i already follow a rotation as it is which is supposed to eliminate 'same crop' diseases?? I'm sure you could get very paranoid worrying too much about re-using compost? However I'm particular about some diseased plants being burnt or carefully 'dumped' in the ordinary not green waste bin. Actually, when I consider it, I've never had my green bin collected as everything goes in the compost heap!! (Green bin equals low level wormery!!) I do appreciate that if you only garden on a balcony that having a compost heap is difficult! Easy for me!
           
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            I think you can get paranoid about all this, plants grow in home made compost and that will contain all kinds of good and bad bacteria and spores.
            Container gardening is a bit different, I must admit, but they are never going to be sterile conditions and plants mostly are able to fight off diseases, like people do, it's often when growing conditions are not ideal that the disease can get a hold.

            Having said that, would I reuse potting compost, only rarely and not stuff that has had tomatoes growing badly in it. :smile:
             
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              You could take the trouble to experiment , planting a couple of beans in several pots and see if they show signs of malformation, suggesting aminopyralid contamination. They will unlikely give you a crop at this time of year.
              How are the fungi developing? Have you indentified what they are. Previous photo resembled a field mushroom, stained by the compost. Maybe the grow bag contains spent mushroom compost?, as an ingredient. Your tomatoes maybe affected by agrochemicals used in mushroom cultivation, or the preparation of the compost, such as horse manure as in the scenario of aminopyralid.
              As to re-use, in your balcony situation, I think not.
               
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                  Yes.
                   
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                    Thanks, @infradig, I'll get a packet of beans & give it a go. I'll keep you informed as well!
                     
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                      Does removing the leaves from tomato plants help them ripen?

                      I have many green ones which I'm hoping will ripen .both in Greenhouse and outside.
                       
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                        I don't think that there is much point in having any leaves on the plants at this late stage.
                        For outside ones you can cut the leaves all off then cut the plant off at ground level and hang it up in a shed with some ventilation.
                        They often ripen quite well that way and seem to not shrivel so much than just picking and ripening in doors.
                         
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                          I have left the leaves on mine so far in hope of better weather but certainly the outdoor ones have stopped growing now. At this time of year removing leaves is more about slowing down botrytis than ripening.
                           
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                            @Balc From the photos I remember, and I could be wrong as I can't find them now, your 'wilting' does not look like herbicide damage. I suffered from a total wipeout with aminopyralid contamination when the herbicide was first used as it got into commercially available composts around 2008. Ironically I bought 'organic' compost for my tomatoes only to find it killed everything I used it on. Tomato leaves curl and and look distorted and the whole plant looked stunted. For comparison here is an image from that time:
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                            Many hundreds and probably more gardeners were affected across the UK. It was initially spotted by farmers in their potato crops and some big compensation claims were paid out.
                            It would be terrible if this chemical was again found in composts, at that time a group of us managed to get it banned, but it was subsequently reinstated with strict provisions to ensure resulting crops were not allowed to enter the compost supply chain.
                             
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                              As reported, it takes up to 3 years for the chemical aminopyralid to break down in soil. It does not break down until it is spread amongst soil organisms. As commercial composting is done at at least 65deg C, thereby killing soil and other organisms, the contaminant will not be broken down, but is diluted amongst the mixed ingredients, thereby becoming less potent. Bagged composts are used strait from(or within ) the bag and not mixed further with soil containing organisms. It seems quite conceivable that the symptoms seen by @Balc could be as a result of the afore described. It would need scientific analysis, affordable only to major processors, who may have a reluctance to score 'home goals'. There may be other factors in the case considered. We may never know.
                              Perhaps it will be the future that we need to add a preparation similar to 'Rootgrow', to prime our growing media with soil organisms, in the way that some mix in garden compost or soil to their potting mix. Obtaining a viable material devoid of weedseeds and harmful organisms is the challenge. Thoughts please.
                               
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                                Last big harvest for me, mainly from dwarf parfait, a very late potato leaved green beefsteak. Biggest tomato of the year for me I think at almost 500g although I'll have to go back and check. Got 1.6kg in total from the one plant today, plus maybe another kg in earlier harvests from it.

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