Electric cars.

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    I bet if you created a space for cyclists and E scooters they would be conflict:biggrin:
    There always will be between different modes of transport, but at least they would be travelling at similar speeds.
     
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      It happens already between cyclists and pedestrians, often people walking their dog, on a long lead, with them on the footpath, the dog off to the side, and a long lead crossing the cycle path. It annoys me because the same people probably wouldn't let their dog walk on a road, but it's perfectly ok to obstruct other traffic and put their dog at risk of collision.

      It highlights the issue nicely, that we just all need to get along. Nobody gains anything by being discourteous to others.

      On E scooters, I think the concept is great. But I also think that either their max speed should be reduced, or there should be some mandatory training. How can I say that when I ride a bike and can, if I really push myself, go faster than 15mph? Trouble is, scooter wheels tend to be tiny, and the smaller the wheels, the more effect potholes and such have. If I hit a pothole at 15 mph on my mountain bike, it would most likely be a mild annoyance. Hit the same pothole at 15 mph on a scooter with its tiny wheels, and I'd imagine it would be carnage.
       
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        Again , I remember walking in the local park, speed limit 5mph, yeah tell the cyclists that, especially when they come down hill at you from behind.
        Almost silent and on you before you know it whizzing past you fairly closely.

        If you cant walk your dog in a park without getting hassled where can you.
         
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          5 mph? I can walk that fast, and I'm old and decrepit with arthritis in my feet.

          How do people go for a jog? Are kids allowed to play there? Do they have to walk carefully everywhere? Are all sports and games outlawed there?

          If you can't run, play football, or just run about in the park, where can you?

          I guess the poor dogs having their walk there have to stay on the lead. Unless they're elderly. And darn those pesky squirrels, running about faster than an old arthritic man's brisk walking speed.:biggrin:
           
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            You know what I mean, anyone on a bike.
             
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              While I agree that some people on bikes are complete bell ends, you have to see both sides of this. You've indicated in other posts that they're not allowed on roads, they're not allowed on pavements, and the infrastructure is not complete for dedicated cycle routes. Where else can they ride?

              And 5mph on a bike? It can be done, but it's not so easy to balance at walking pace. If I was having a leisurely stroll in the park and a cyclist wanted to pass, I'd rather than passe quickly under full control than take ten minutes to get past while wobbling around trying to balance their bike at barely more than a leisurely strolling pace, while I try to work out where I need to be to avoid them wobbling into me.
               
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                When I was cycling I was in my local park which has a fairly wide road around the inside (they used to race motorcycles around it). As I came down the long straight at a leisurely 10 - 15 mph there was a woman walking on one side of the road and a dog on the grass on the other. I was watching the dog in case it decided to join its owner when at the last moment I spotted the long lead right across in front of me. I braked hard and managed to stop just in time. A second or so later I would probably have ripped the dog's head off, as I not so politely explained to the owner.
                 
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                  Just for a bit of balance…
                  As a one time cyclist, I had a few near misses. The most notable was the occasion when an oncoming car (opposite side of the road) swerved over to my side to ‘buzz’ me. Missed me by around a foot.
                   
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                      There is an E Scooter championship now, I've been told they race at speeds of up to 70 mph.

                      Home | eSkootr Championship™ (esc.live)
                       
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                          The c5 was probably a forerunner of all those mobility scooters you see around.
                           
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                            That reminds me of all those little fibreglass disability three wheelers, at one time there were loads of them about, not electric though

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                              One stage down from a Reliant Robin.
                               
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                                Manufacturers are mainly focused on reducing emissions, anything to reduce the kerb weight will help. In the past you would see HGV have not one but sometimes two spare wheels, not anymore.

                                We have two rigid Scania hgv's one is on a 2003 plate with the other on a 2005, both have been in to the workshop and had the original bodies scrapped with a nearly new body fitted on one and the 2005 truck fitted with a new body. Both wagons are now slightly lighter, 200kg roughly than they were when we first put them on the road.

                                We did look in to replacing one truck back in 2019 with a brand new truck, the kerb weight would of been just under 400kg than the original, that's just based on cab and chassis. By 2035 all new trucks up to a gross weight of 26000 will have to be electric. I would loose 1500kg payload minimum based on a battery with a 150 mile range, it would also take 75 minutes to fully charge the battery using a 350kWh rapid charger.

                                With a reduction in payload, there will probably be more HGV trucks on the roads, unless the government raise the gross weights to offset the loss in payload. In the EU they say 61% emissions come from cars and motor bikes with LGV and HGV making up the other 39%. In the UK 45% emissions come from road freight, compared to other countries the tonnage of freight that is moved by the rail network is considerably lower in the UK.

                                New electric HGV trucks will cost more to purchase, then when you include the reduction in payload, these extra costs will all be passed on to consumers, going fully electric needs a rethink.
                                 
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