The cost of living... what can we do?

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  1. JWK

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    I reckon it's market forces, they have increased energy prices beyond what many can afford so thermostats are being turned down and even switched off completely. Therefore demand is dropping. Yes the energy companies are making more money from selling less and it's likely we won't have power cuts imposed on us.
     
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      During the summer, after almost four months of drought, I received my water bill and they said I had used a lot more water than the previous year (not surprising) and suggested that I look for leaks - and then they reduced my monthly direct debit! :doh:
       
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        Heads up for energy price rises of 20% in April. Octopus sent me this:

        "While the Energy Price Cap is increasing unit rates in your area, we’re not passing this increase on, and your prices won’t change in January."

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        Looking further ahead, based on current plans, energy prices will rise a further 20% in April — taking a typical home annual bill from around £2,500 to £3,000 — as the Government scales back the amount of support available.

        With the £67 monthly credits from the Energy Bill Support Scheme also ending in March, we know April is going to be a difficult time for many."
         
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        We're seriously looking into installing a photovoltaic array on a pergola on the terrace, to at least take care of summer electricity consumption and hopefully help a bit in the winter. It won't be pretty, but it's got to be the way to go.... pergola-solaire.jpg
         
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          @noisette47 We have solar panels on our roof and had them put there nine years ago. Although we're in a bungalow it is surprising that very few people even notice them. I'm surprised how many times, when I've mentioned them, that friends say they didn't realise we had them. I don't think they detract from the look of the place.

          If you put them on the pergola you would then need to run the cables etc. to the inverter and then to your meter. That would be a lot easier if they were on the roof instead.
           
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            I keep considering solar panels but the cost of them now is bonkers
             
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              What sort of price are they?
               
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              When I enquired about solar panels a few years ago the rep they sent round took one look at my electric bill and said I didn't use enough to make it worth my while.
              I wonder if that has changed.
               
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              Wholesale gas prices have dropped right back to where they were before the war in Ukraine. This was unexpected, but analysts say it's due to a combination of factors, including a milder than expected winter (so far) in Europe, the contingency plans proving more robust than expected, and reduced demand.

              This being the case, it will be very interesting in April to see if energy prices still rise by as much as was forecasted when the chart was still going up exponentially a few weeks ago.
               
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                According to the website, Green match, a 250w solar panel costs between £400-£500 then there will be the cost of insulation etc etc. The site says a 4 kWh solar system will then cost between 6-8k with an annual saving of £980 on your electricity bill, but that does not take into account the cost of insulation costs. Are they basing the savings on the solar panels on a south facing dwelling?, mine is west facing, so would the saving be less. The figures are based on the price cap set in October, should they stay like that then your looking at a good 10 years before you start to make any savings after the initial outlay. If the cost per kWh increases over the coming years then the savings will kick in sooner but longer should the price per kWh drops in the future.
                 
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                Not sure what you mean about insulation. :scratch:

                Yes, the saving would be less. I don't know about west facing but my cousin had east facing ones installed the same time we had south facing ones. The overall difference in power production wasn't as much as we thought it would be. After checking the daily figures (he's about 50 miles south of us so that would affect things slightly) we found that summer production was not much different at all. That is because the sun doesn't rise in the east and set in the west as that is only a generalisation. In the summer it rises in the north east (further north at solstice) so he gets about three hours of sun on his panels in the morning, at solstice, before it hits our panels. In winter the difference is greater but there isn't as much power generation in the winter.

                There are grants that people can get. Most are for those on benefits or low incomes, some are for vulnerable people and there is the Smart Export Scheme for others.

                Solar Panel Grants in the UK 2022 | How You Can Qualify

                We were fortunate to start when there was a better scheme running and we get paid for all the power we generate, whether we use it or it goes into the grid. Having that precluded us from having any other type of grant that was going around. Ours paid for itself in about six years.
                 
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                oops, I meant installation. doh
                 

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                  There is bound to be a big lag before any prices go down or even stay the same for the consumer.
                  Just as there is in petrol prices, they go up very quickly but come down very slowly.
                   
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                    We're still at the planning stage :)...if we opt for roof panels, it will mean a major re-fit of the (6000) top clay tiles on the roof. The old, re-cycled ones are way too fragile for any traffic. The other concern is whether the building will physically support the weight. It was designed to support a huge, heavy roof but the panels weigh 18kgs each :hate-shocked:
                    Fortunately, we kept the pylon situated on the corner of the barn which is where the Linky is. Whether we use a pergola as support or put the PV on the roof, there wouldn't be any long cable runs :)
                    Thanks for the input, shiney! It all helps get a clearer idea of the options and requirements :blue thumb:
                    Projet PV 2023.jpg
                     
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                      I think that there are a few factors involved in deciding that. Age, pay-back time, whether you can DIY the installation, whether you've got the cash and nothing else to do with it...:biggrin:
                       
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