The cost of living... what can we do?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by Fat Controller, Aug 26, 2022.

  1. Loofah

    Loofah Admin Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2008
    Messages:
    13,932
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Guildford
    Ratings:
    +24,368
    Ruddy awful things weren't they! I have LED throughout the house apart from the porch. I'm very slowly using the last incandescent bulbs in that but will be sorry to see them go and will replace the lamp with an LED type eventually
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • pete

      pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

      Joined:
      Jan 9, 2005
      Messages:
      51,086
      Gender:
      Male
      Occupation:
      Retired
      Location:
      Mid Kent
      Ratings:
      +93,882
      I've got loads of them @Loofah ,just send me your adress and I'll put them in the post. :biggrin:
       
      • Funny Funny x 2
      • Clueless 1 v2

        Clueless 1 v2 Total Gardener

        Joined:
        Jun 26, 2022
        Messages:
        2,038
        Gender:
        Male
        Ratings:
        +2,769
        I think it's crazy that heat pumps are being pushed on people. Ground source heat pumps are apparently much more efficient, but to install them involves having your garden dug up so a bit of a non starter for retrofitting, but a possible option for new builds in some circumstances.

        I also find it absolutely insane that the focus is on heating at all. Sure we need heating, but there are two ways to make a house warmer. One is to continuously add more heat, the other is to try to avoid losing the heat that's been added.

        I understand a full retrofit of air source heat pump and new radiators and associated plumbing costs about 15 grand. That same money would go a long way towards new insulation, the latest energy efficient windows, and some nice curtains and carpets with a good insulating underlay.
         
      • Jocko

        Jocko Guided by my better half.

        Joined:
        Jan 2, 2022
        Messages:
        2,417
        Gender:
        Male
        Occupation:
        Retired engineer. Now Vice CEO of the garden.
        Location:
        Danderhall on southern edge of Edinburgh. Zone 8a.
        Ratings:
        +6,782
        I couldn't get rid of my incandescent bulbs quickly enough. Why use 100 watts when I can use 8 watts? I have LED bulbs everywhere except the workshop/potting shed As soon as I am able I will replace the energy-hungry 2 x 6ft fluorescent fittings (5 of them) with suitable LED battens.
         
      • JWK

        JWK Gardener Staff Member

        Joined:
        Jun 3, 2008
        Messages:
        32,403
        Gender:
        Male
        Location:
        Surrey
        Ratings:
        +49,843
        • Like Like x 1
        • Creative Creative x 1
        • Jocko

          Jocko Guided by my better half.

          Joined:
          Jan 2, 2022
          Messages:
          2,417
          Gender:
          Male
          Occupation:
          Retired engineer. Now Vice CEO of the garden.
          Location:
          Danderhall on southern edge of Edinburgh. Zone 8a.
          Ratings:
          +6,782
          Thanks. The problem is these fittings are so old they do not have electronic ballast but the old choke and starter.
           
          • Informative Informative x 1
          • pete

            pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

            Joined:
            Jan 9, 2005
            Messages:
            51,086
            Gender:
            Male
            Occupation:
            Retired
            Location:
            Mid Kent
            Ratings:
            +93,882
            I've got old fittings as well.
            Just standard fluorescent so I think they would need the rewiring, I remember an electrician telling me how to do it but in the end I replaced one with a completely new sealed unit, water proof as well.
             
          • pete

            pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

            Joined:
            Jan 9, 2005
            Messages:
            51,086
            Gender:
            Male
            Occupation:
            Retired
            Location:
            Mid Kent
            Ratings:
            +93,882
            If I remember rightly you just bypass the ballast and starter and go directly to the new fitting, but not being an electrician best not to take much notice of me.
             
          • JWK

            JWK Gardener Staff Member

            Joined:
            Jun 3, 2008
            Messages:
            32,403
            Gender:
            Male
            Location:
            Surrey
            Ratings:
            +49,843
            I think that is all the supplied replacement ballast did so I didn't need to fiddle with any electrics. Whole replacement battens including a tube are still dead cheap around £30.

            I had an electrician fit two new LED battens in my garage, I asked him to fit four to give me good light to work with as there are no windows in there. He said two would be more than adequate, I had my doubts but he was right, they throw out much more light than the old Fluorescent jobbies.
             
            • Like Like x 2
            • noisette47

              noisette47 Total Gardener

              Joined:
              Jan 25, 2013
              Messages:
              6,460
              Gender:
              Female
              Location:
              Lot-et-Garonne, Aquitaine
              Ratings:
              +15,766
              That's not really fair. For the future, builders/developpers should be or should be made to be looking at ground source heat pumps, but true geothermal systems with a vertical borehole. There certainly wouldn't be enough ground around the average new build for horizontal captors and you can't plant anything but grass above them. Combined with very good insulation, though, a heat pump can achieve almost passive energy consumption. As it's only really practical for new builds (and I don't suppose for a minute that developpers will sacrifice profits), that only leaves air/air or wood / pellet burning as economical forms of heating for existing properties.
               
              • Like Like x 1
              • pete

                pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

                Joined:
                Jan 9, 2005
                Messages:
                51,086
                Gender:
                Male
                Occupation:
                Retired
                Location:
                Mid Kent
                Ratings:
                +93,882
                I still dont see it as a form of heating for the masses, how far down do you have to go to get geothermal heat, and if you did, with housing density getting higher every year are we in danger of actually freezing the ground?
                I know that sounds stupid, but often these things have unexpected consequences.
                It could end up being as environmentally friendly as fracking.
                 
                • Creative Creative x 1
                • noisette47

                  noisette47 Total Gardener

                  Joined:
                  Jan 25, 2013
                  Messages:
                  6,460
                  Gender:
                  Female
                  Location:
                  Lot-et-Garonne, Aquitaine
                  Ratings:
                  +15,766
                  It doesn't sound stupid at all...valid point!:) They'd also possibly have to take into account drains, sewers and rainwater recuperation. Certainly with our system, there has to be 3m between the captors and any other source of running water. The more I think about housing density in UK, the less feasible it seems :sad: On the bright side, though, the new houses will soon be so packed in together that they'll be terraces by any other name and will keep each other warm :biggrin:
                   
                  • Like Like x 1
                  • Agree Agree x 1
                  • Informative Informative x 1
                  • Jocko

                    Jocko Guided by my better half.

                    Joined:
                    Jan 2, 2022
                    Messages:
                    2,417
                    Gender:
                    Male
                    Occupation:
                    Retired engineer. Now Vice CEO of the garden.
                    Location:
                    Danderhall on southern edge of Edinburgh. Zone 8a.
                    Ratings:
                    +6,782
                    I looked into the wiring of them and it is straightforward. Prices of tubes are pretty high though so I may still go down the sealed LED battens route.
                     
                    • Like Like x 2
                    • Agree Agree x 1
                    • pete

                      pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

                      Joined:
                      Jan 9, 2005
                      Messages:
                      51,086
                      Gender:
                      Male
                      Occupation:
                      Retired
                      Location:
                      Mid Kent
                      Ratings:
                      +93,882
                      Going back to the late 60s, my grandmother moved into one of those really modern blocks of flats, not high rise but thinking back it was pretty awful.
                      But being surrounded by others meant the heating was fairly low and she got through most winters with a couple of paraffin heaters.
                       
                      • Informative Informative x 2
                      • Like Like x 1
                      • pete

                        pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

                        Joined:
                        Jan 9, 2005
                        Messages:
                        51,086
                        Gender:
                        Male
                        Occupation:
                        Retired
                        Location:
                        Mid Kent
                        Ratings:
                        +93,882
                        I've just received and email from UK power networks telling me what to do if they have to cut people off this winter, this is the first one I've had.

                        Now they are saying its unlikely, but they might have to.
                        Do I detect that things are not looking good as up till now I've never been contacted and the winter is three quarters gone, I hope.

                        Just seems odd they are sending this out now.

                        Its also telling you to call 105 or visit the website should you get cut off.:biggrin:
                         
                      Loading...

                      Share This Page

                      1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
                        By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
                        Dismiss Notice