Renewable energy sources - the good, the bad and the ugly

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    My solar panels produced 12.14kWh today :blue thumb: Nice and sunny
    Yesterday only 1.91 cloudy all day
    Day before 12.96 sunny

    Not too bad for winter :dbgrtmb:
     
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      I know, @shiney. We're having an exceptional February here, too. But it's the weeks on end of cloudy, cold days that limit the viability because that's when demand will be highest from 'average' consumers.
       
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      We can't even build a railway on time and on budget - Elizabeth Line being example 1, with HS2 rapidly following behind. Hell, it appears we cannot build a couple of boats on time or budget either (slow clap for Ferguson Marine..) so how on earth we are supposed to believe that we will be near on fully electrified by 2027 (or 2030 even) is just a joke.
       
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      If, however, that was used in very hot countries (equatorial countries) where it could be used for both desalination to give more potable water for both drinking and irrigation AND electrolysis to produce hydrogen from water.. bingo, you can store the energy, transport it and burn it cleanly. If the two go hand in hand, there is no reason that planting cannot take place with irrigation, greening areas up (trees, even) thus helping to cool the planet a tadge thanks to shade given, whilst also improving air quality.
       
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        I think you will find they are mostly chopping the trees down.:biggrin:
         
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          If you start producing more, I will pop around while your out. :heehee:

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            We don't do weeks of cloud. That's why they call our place ShineyLand :SUNsmile: :biggrin:
             
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            We didn't used to, either, but the times they are a-changing..... There was an interesting article in our local paper this week detailing all the communes in our 'county' that are investing in solar parks on waste ground and old quarries. It's not done with a view to providing the commune with energy, but solely for re-sale to EDF. The journo reckoned that we would not be far off being self-sufficient if the energy was for self consumption. As it is, we ask ourselves where the income from said energy is going?
             
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              We use our leccy production. We save putting on washing machine/dishwasher etc. until the panels are producing good levels of leccy. Works OK for us.
               
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                There's a massive increase in houseowners installing panels with that in mind. Hardly surprising that auto consumption is the preferred option. The sale contracts of the surplus back to EDF or whoever give right to a bonus from the Gov, and a very low payment per unit, but then the 'income' is taxed. Typical France...give with one hand and take twice as much with the other :biggrin:
                Another option now is a virtual battery. The surplus is stored by an energy Company to be withdrawn back as and when needed. But then, the customers are getting into standing charge territory, so it's all about profit for the Companies, as per usual.
                We're going for panels just to power the pumps and appliances in summer, with any winter production being a bonus. It would be very, very economical if OH was in a fit state to install them himself, but tempus fugit and his days of clambering around on the roof are long gone :old: As for connection to a three-phase system...:nonofinger:
                 
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                  I don't know how things work in distant parts of Aquitaine but when we installed our panels it cost just over 5k to have done. There was no subsidy towards it but we receive money for all we generate regardless of whether we use it or it goes back in to the grid. Our capital cost was repaid in approx. five years.

                  I think things are done differently now (haven't bothered to check) but I think there is a subsidy towards installation and a much lower (almost nothing) being paid toward generation but you can use as much of it as you wish.

                  When we installed the panels there was no viable battery storage system but I understand there is now. So, in theory, you can store all the generation that you don't use whilst it is being produced.

                  I keep intending to look into the storage situation to see whether the stored electricity can be used during power cuts as we have quite a lot of those (most are short ones). At the moment, by law, if there is a power cut then our power generation has to automatically cut off so even if it is very sunny we can't use it.
                   
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                    Some levels of grant are available but all it really does (if you qualify) is slightly offset the massively increased costs of purchase and install. It's become like a fashion accessory to my mind.

                    Octopus Energy are the first to start offering heat pumps at same cost as a gas boiler so will be interesting to see if there's an increased uptake. As we've mentioned before, they just seem crap.
                     
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                      The only quote we've had so far was from the Co. that installed the geothermal heating/hot water system. €25k :roflol::roflol::roflol: Their panels are 'bi-facials', supposedly giving a higher production because they capture sunlight on both sides. Really? On a tiled roof? :scratch: If our original project of a shade gazebo on the terrace had been feasible, that might have made sense if the panels were used to construct the roof, but as it is, :nonofinger: They were also pushing for us to sign a contract with a third party Co for virtual battery storage, which we most certainly don't want.
                       
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