Latest Moan From You and Me 2023

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  1. clanless

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    I was wrong. The April 2023 price cap reflects lower wholesale prices. Its 999 quid lower than the current price cap. So unit rates will go down but no extra Rishi cash. Still, could be worse.
     
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    Sounds very like the French model. Even if the consumption is reasonable, there are three separate Government taxes and the standing charge on top, then TVA on that. In a country where people used to stand up for themselves, I honestly don't know how they get away with it. Particularly as EDF workers get incredible perks, very early retirement and hefty pensions.
     
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    At least they show you the taxes, over here they are hidden on our bills. We pay so much per kilo watt and the green tax is part of that figure, but it's not itemised.
     
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      Our bills have been simplified (allegedly) repeatedly over many years. No-one knows how to interpret them or the billing
       
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        I noticed this the other day in Tesco. It confused me then just made me cross.
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          They are just pushing climate change as a reason for all these taxes, I'm still not convinced climate change is really happening but governments around the world are using it as a way of screwing the population.

          I heard something the other day that there were strikes in France because they want to raise the retirement age, not sure what it was but it was quite a low age at the moment.
           
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            The 'normal' retirement age is 62. EDF, GDF and SNCF workers, though, have a special deal to retire at (I think) 55. They're mostly the ones striking because the special regimes are being abolished. Macron's trying to put the minimum retirement age up to 64. I do so enjoy telling friends that it's been 65 in UK for donkey's years, about the current age and about the WASPI scandal :biggrin: (Sound of French jaws hitting the floor...). They don't know they're born!
             
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            • pete

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              Yes, far too many special deals on retirement age even over here.
              Often, not always, the longer you sit on your arse the sooner you retire.:biggrin:
               
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                  Today we got our quarterly gas bill. It was up by 134% from last year and 104% from November's bill. It is frightening.
                   
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                    That often happens in Tesco @Loofah. Last week I picked up a large bottle of laundry washing liquid and then put it back. Buying the equivalent in two smaller bottles worked out cheaper.
                     
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                      That is my gas bill. The electric is separate.... note to self: scan electric bill and share!
                       
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                        It's now 66 and going up to 67 between 2026 and 2028. :old:

                        In the U.S. (I think) Reagan raised the pension age to 67 but it hasn't yet been implemented. :scratch:
                         
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                        Does anyone else find this to be distasteful? If this tome were published as a matter of historical record - then I may have taken a different view. But, come on Matt - to make a profit? Really?

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                          They always say you should check the unit pricing - and it should be in the small print on the shelf :whistle:

                          I've been doing that for years but happen to be good at mental arithmetic so have done it for as long as I can remember (Mrs Shiney just said that I can only remember two days back! :roflol:).
                           
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