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    How else would it tow it's diesel generator?
     
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      I think if you were in the market for a high performance car, I’d say it was a bargain.
       
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        My car has one of those. it's called the horn. The sensitivity of the sensor varies depending on what sort of mood I am in!
         
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            I noted that one EV owner (Pulsar) set out to travel from Nottinghamshire to the Lake District towing a caravan (well over 200 miles). With a bit of planning and use of the onboard app, he had no difficulty completing his journey. Admittedly he had to make two charging breaks, but it can be done.
             
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              Do you know if they had to unhitch the caravan each time they charged.
              I know if you have a bike rack on the back of a Tesla you are unable to charge at Tesla charging points as you can't reverse near enough and the cable is to short at some charging points. It's not a problem if there is hardly anyone using the chargers as you just park sideways you just end up taking two bays in the process.

              Apparently all these large holiday parks have wrote to the government warning them that camping sites are not capable of taking large volumes of electric cars. Static caravans and touring caravans electric supply was designed for bare minimum electric usage let alone charging a car. Some site owners have been told by the national grid it is not viable to invest in upgrading the lines to such rural area's.

              Like these owners say, them selves including hotels and B&B's owners in rural areas have never supplied petrol or diesel for the guests, yet now holiday makers expect there to be sufficient charging points at the accommodation.

              EV CONCERNS STALL STAYCATION GROWTH | Holiday Park Scene Magazine

              Caravan parks 'can't cope' with rising numbers of electric cars - BBC News
               
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                That's people for you nowadays. Make a decision, and just expect everyone else to deal with it.
                 
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                It seems to be following a similar trend, they get us all to buy dim energy saving light bulbs and then they get superseded by LED ones within a few years.

                I'm sure there will be billions spent coming up with charging points at every conceivable destination only to find a few years later they have a battery that actually does the job its intended for.

                Lets just wait for the technology to get sorted before going crazy.
                 
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                It's the green con. It's not green or environmentally friendly because the tech gets replaced completely every few years so any energy savings or carbon removal can be obliterated by replacing everything
                 
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                  If fossil fuels are used to produce electricity, it is silly to think that one's ev, charged from the source, is a clean green machine!
                   
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                    The most over used statement these days is "carbon neutral", no such thing and I cant really see how there ever will be.
                    Fly round the world, plant a few trees and suddenly your "carbon neutral".:roflol:
                     
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                      The key part of this statement is, 'if fossil fuels are used'. Renewable energy is growing at pace. Recently wind power was officially the biggest source of electricity in the UK. The UK and parts of Europe are really developing renewables lately, partly spurred on by the wake up call of Putin being a bell end.

                      Even if EVs were powered by electricity generated by fossil fuel power stations, that alone doesn't negate their eco credentials (I'm aware of other factors to consider but I'm only addressing this one specific point). The power station is a stationary object. As such it doesn't have to haul it's fuel about. The infrastructure supplying it is optimised, and it's emissions will be tightly regulated to the extent that if it malfunctions, it will have to be fixed.

                      Conversely a petrol or diesel car has to use fuel that has been hauled around by lorry. It will have to haul the weight of its fuel everywhere it goes. If it malfunctions and no longer burns as clean as it's supposed to, nobody will do anything about it until either it breaks down or it fails it's annual emissions test. So overall, yes an EV charged by a fossil fuel power station is still effectively fossil fuel powered, but very likely that power was generated cleaner than the equivalent power in an ICE car.
                       
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                        Yes, but it’s not really a hardship, I can unhitch my caravan in less than a minute. During the charge (around 20 minutes), he took the opportunity to sit down and have a coffee. I know that after 2-3 hours driving, particularly towing, I’m ready for a break. Regarding holiday breaks/countryside locations, personally I wouldn’t expect charging points onsite, any more than I would expect fuel pumps onsite.
                        Whilst I agree that more needs to be done to get the infrastructure in place, people will still be buying/selling ICE cars, long after the 2030 deadline. I see that one can buy an EV for well under £30,000, and they’re getting less expensive all the time. There is already a market for 2nd hand EV’s, so generally getting more affordable.
                         
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                          Yes, this was a point I was going to make. There are lots of myths surrounding wind generation, but the truth is the carbon footprint of a wind turbine is about a 30th of the fossil fuel equivalent. I think that folks are resistant to change, I get that, but like it or not, change is coming, might as well accept/embrace it.
                           
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                            My neighbour recently told me he nearly got hit by one in Lidle's car park because he didn't hear it coming.
                            And my cat hears cars coming along the road and runs out of the way but she won't be able to hear these things so it's dangerous.
                             
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