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    For the first time ever this year I'm giving veg growing a bit of a go. Just tentatively starting out, looking at you tube tutorials and such and finding my way really.

    I have three "gardeners delight" tomato plants together in a large deep pot. They are about 5-6ft tall now and there are a lot of flowers developing.

    At this point, as the flowers turn into fruit, do I need to adjust feeding, or just carry on every fortnight or so with miracle grow fertiliser?

    If I do need to change my feeding a bit what is the best possible feed I can give them, and how often, for a good crop?
     
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      No need to feed tomatoes until the fruits set, just follow the instructions
       
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        They seem a bit tall to only be developing flowers?
         
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          Some of the tiny flowers are turning into tiny tomatoes, maybe pea sized at the minute. Hence the question really. I thought that once the tomatoes start showing you'd need to really increase the feeding to give the best crop? I thought tomato plants were extremely greedy?
           
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            What I mean is you usually get the first flower truss at around 2ft maximum, so by the time they reach 5 or 6ft they normally have some tomatoes that are quite well advanced if not already ripe.
             
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              Some flowers did start to develop earlier in the growth but for some reason nothing became of them. I have the plants outside south facing so they've benefitted from some good sunshine lately too, and have been watered daily. I'm as surprised as you are really because my mother in law's tomatoes, as you mentioned, flowered from quite small and are now bearing medium sized toms.

              I'm fully expecting all these top layer of flowers to give me some success now, if I get the feeding right?
               
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                Now you have tiny fruit you should feed with a high potash fertiliser, one brand is tomorite but Wilkos own tomato brand feed is the same ingredients but cheaper.

                You must have been feeding them up to now to get them so tall. Best not to do that as the plants will require a lot of support being top heavy when the fruit swell.
                 
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                  You need to give the plants a few gentle taps twice a day, this shakes the pollen to fertilize the flowers which will then set fruit. Insects will help fertilize but if there are few around or your plants are indoors they need a hand.
                   
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                    I did start feeding them as young plants. I had no idea feeding doesn't really need to start until the fruits start developing.

                    I had no idea about this. No wonder the lower flowers didn't develop! The top ones have a better chance I suspect because they're more open to the breeze.
                     
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                      It's counter intuitive for sure. Feeding tomatoes with a general purpose fertilizer encourages lots of leaves, and the stem to grow at the expense of flowers. The problem is space, it will grow too big too fast, if you have the headroom then no problem. Use the high Potash feed from now onwards will encourages flowers and makes the fruit grow.
                       
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                        I’d be interested to see a pic. 5 - 6ft at this time of year seems very tall.
                         
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                          This is it. As mentioned earlier there are three individual plants in this pot. All "gardeners delight" bought as 4" plants. I'm 5ft 9" and it's taller than me. I've wrongly been feeding these since the very start, which is evident from all the greenery, lol.

                          If you zoom in you can see all the tiny yellow flowers on the top layers, a lot are hidden too. No flowers on lower layers. It's solidly staked so if those top flowers all develop I may be ok, time will tell.

                          It's becoming obvious to me now that I've gone about this in the totally wrong way as regards to feeding.

                          Next time I will be getting dwarf varieties too, these things are just too leggy, lol.

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                            You have a strong healthy plant there, it will pay off and you'll get a crop albeit a bit later.

                            The other thing you need to do, maybe a bit late now, is what's called 'sideshooting'. This is the process of training and pruning a cordon variety like Gardener's Delight. The idea is to remove the little shoots that grow from each leaf branch on the stem. You need to nip them out otherwise your plant grows into a bush with lots of flowers but smaller fruit.

                            I'll try and find a video that explains it better than I can describe ...
                             
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                              I think you're going to need a pergola by August. :biggrin:
                               
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                                Alan Titchmarsh showing how, personally I use my fingers to nip them out but if I miss them and they get very thick I use secateurs

                                 
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