Tomato Growing Thread 2023

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  1. Loofah

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    Any particular reason?
     
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    Not really, I used to experiment with straight fertilisers but I dont think it really works unless you have a know deficiency, which if using a proper feed you wont.
    I use Chempak high potash these days and I think its as good as anything really, and still contains some nitrogen and phosphate.
     
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      That's what I've been using, chempak no. 4. I was looking about for alternatives but very unsure on using something which isn't already blended in some way
       
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        Just my thoughts but I think, if you are growing directly into the ground as I think you are, sulphate of potash would be applied during soil preparation rather than a feed after planting.
         
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        Yes but it can be used in a dressing too. I wondered if fertilizer is better as a mix of other elements
         
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          The other thing is I suspect it's not very fast acting, it never seemed very soluble to me.
          Well the plants need all three main elements plus trace elements, it's just a higher percentage of potash for fruit formation.
           
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            Wow crazy fast. Grow then. Do you know then that if I live in UK where growing season is not the longest. Should I cut off tops of my indeterminate tomatoes to let them finish fruits before end of season? If so when should I do it? Some seeds companies saying to cut the top after having 6-8 trusses, would this be about right?
             
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              There is not a definitive answer Luke.

              When to stop tomatoes by nipping out the top growing point depends on a few variables. If you are growing outside and the weather doesn't look good towards the end of the season then stop them at 6 trusses. The idea is to remove any more flowers so the plant puts its energy into swelling the fruit. There might not be enough time to ripen late developing fruit outdoors the further north you are, the first frost (November for me) will kill the plants but cold nights in September and October slow growth down. Usually stopping would be in late August to mid September.

              Growing in a greenhouse extends the season and tomato plants continue producing fruit that can ripen into October and beyond, so if you have the height you can get away with 10 or more trusses. In my greenhouse I use tomato hangers allowing the plants to be lowered once the bottom trusses have been picked and the top hits the roof. The stems are laid on the soil. I've had 16 plus trusses in good years.
               
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                I see, makes sense JWK. I live in East Midlands and my plants are outside. So taking this under consideration should I consider topping them now if I have 6 trusses? I made some mistakes, didn't water them for a week once, letting side shoots to grow and probably some more mistakes that I am not aware. I just want to make sure that I will have some fruits even if not many, instead of having lots of flowers and not many or not at all ripen fruits. Most of my plants have around 8-10 trusses with about 8 flowers/buds on each. These are mostly beef tomatoes. Seems like to me around 70 tomatoes per plant assuming all buds/ flowers will turn into tomatoes. Does it seem to be realistic that in my climate plant will have enough time till September to ripe so many fruits? If no then I would rather cut the top now, watch the weather and pinch off more flowers towards the end of the season if need to be. Does it make sense?
                 
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                Hi all,

                I was wondering if I could pick your brains.
                Lots of my tomatoes this year have low trusses (far lower than I normally get), yet then have considerable distance (2-3 feet) until the next truss. Compared to previous years this seems quite a lot.

                I am wondering why this may be?
                I am thinking I may have over-fertilized with chicken manure pellets on re-potting - could this be a cause? Or perhaps the compost I used this year is high in nitrogen.

                That said, much of the growth seems to have happened in the last 10 days - since I fertilised with a high Potassium feed. From what I understand though, this should help flowering/fruit production, not mass growth - and so could just be coincidence.

                Some of my plants are very tall now - 6 foot plus. so probably beyond help, but I still have some small-ish ones, that can hopefully still be encouraged to flower.

                Any tips would be much appreciated.
                 
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                I'd guess it was the chicken pellets they seem to promote leafy growth in most things.
                Don't feed until the first truss sets is the usual advice.
                And then you use a high potash feed.
                 
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                  Think you have too many trusses, certainly too many for a beef type. I've only got 5 trusses on my beef plant at around 4 to 5 foot high

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                  The lowest truss only has 4 fruit which is normal for a beef type, the next one up has 6 fruit , too many so the last 2 will remain small, sometimes I thin the trusses out to 3 or 4 fruit.

                  I would be ruthless and prune out the sideshoots with secateurs even if they have flowers and fruit on them. Otherwise the plant won't be able to support so many fruit at once. Then thin out the trusses on the beef types to 4 max flowers/fruit. Beef types take longer to swell and ripen, maybe 2 months, but I think it's too early to stop the whole plant now. Just try and maintain a single growing stem and hopefully you will get a few more trusses forming to ripen in time by the end of September.

                  Assuming we are talking about beef cordon indeterminate varieties.
                   
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                    Thanks for the reply Pete.

                    Yes, I mixed them with the compost when repotting. Will put in less.none next time.
                    Would standard manure be better do you think ? Or not necessary?

                    Weird thing is that many of my aubergines, which have the same pellets, are doing particularly well, lots of flowers and fruits.
                     
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                      Just experimenting here with spare plants.
                      Pot of Gardeners delight toms.and pot of Cucumbers……with Nasturtiums ……..outside.

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                        @THFC Most potting compost has enough nutrients for a few weeks so adding the pellets at potting stage could be a bit of overload, probably better nothing at all at that stage.
                        I've been potting mine with room for extra compost to be added as the plants grow, its kind of working as the plants tend to put new roots out from the stems.

                        I've never grown Aubergines so cant really comment but there are obviously certain plants that will really enjoy that extra boost from day one, courgettes and cucumbers come to mind.
                         
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