"Bird proof" on the allotment.

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  1. Drahcir

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    Jackdaws, crows, magpies, pigeons, pheasants seem to be the main bird pests.

    What's "bird proof" (not much) so far seems to be:

    Parsnips.
    Potatoes.
    Beetroot.
    Fennel.

    Affected:

    Onions (Young leaves grazed, jackdaws)
    Broad beans (pods attacked, jackdaws)

    Badly affected:

    Brassicas of any description (any of the above).
    Sweetcorn (pheasant)

    What's your experience?
     
  2. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    I dont get any of those problems, in fact bird damage is pretty much unknown.
    I've got a couple of jackdaws recently around here but not noticed any damage, a fair few wood pigeons, crows, blackbirds, sparrows, magpies, I dont have pheasants, but I think most people just shoot them.
     
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    It's wood pigeons for me, I have to net all brassicas from planting and fruits. I also have rabbits, squirrels and deer. But they are also put off by nets and fleece
     
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      Pigeons are crazy for black currants, blackbirds - for blueberries. I hid bushes by covering with white fleece, but it's rubbishy one, it desintegrated earlier than berries became ready. I understand now, it's not uv stabile. Thinking of using maybe thin cotton next year.
       
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      Pigeons are the only birds that cause a problem here, they are better than seagulls because they are quieter. Crows and other corvids do pull labels out and also pull up onion sets. The main problems here are slugs, snails, pigeons, badgers, squirrels and peacocks. The last three eat everything and trash the rest. A peacock can make a mess of a gooseberry bush and completely trash a strawberry patch by stomping over the netting. Badgers will take a row of carrots in one evening and an apple tree doesn't look good after a badger has tried to climb it.
       
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        When I was growing up we used net curtains from jumble sales to protect fruit bushes.
         
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          Bingo! Will give it a go next season.
           
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            Our pheasants are no nuisance at all nor most of the Corvids as they all get sufficient food from the dropped seed from our bird feeders.

            Since we put up a deer fence, years ago, and also hung very cheap unperfumed soap on it the deer stopped coming.

            The badgers stopped coming when we sprayed Jeyes Fluid around the boundary of the garden.

            Rabbits are kept away with chicken wire around the veggie plots.

            Blackbirds are just mischievous and pull out plant labels and move them in front of other plants!

            Pigeons are the main problem. To some extent, hanging up CD's deters them and running overhead strings over the bean plants (we have 200 plants) stops most of the rest.

            We no longer grow brassicas.

            All damage to apple trees stopped when we deterred the deer and badgers. Blackberries defend themselves very well (they're the old fashioned, 70 years old, very vicious ones) and we have to be extremely careful picking them.
             
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            Pigeons are the main problem at my allotment. Brassicas would dissappear overnight without netting. It has to be butterfly netting as cabbage whites are rampant this year and their caterpillars strip brassicas within days if unprotected.

            When I took it over 7 years ago I was told rabbits were the main pest and every plot had wire netting. I've never seen one, plenty of foxes though. I think rabbit populations are cyclic and currently very low.

            The foxes pick on certain plots and take sweetcorn and anything inside polytunnels. They don't use my plot thank goodness.

            Pigeons are getting a lot of my raspberries which I haven't got round to netting yet. Because there is soft fruit on just about all the 80 odd plots they never take them all. They don't bother with Blackberries. I gave up growing black and red currants and gooseberries cause whatever I tried they found a way through my netting. I think squirrels were also joining in and are even more resourceful. I found a dead pigeon one morning trapped under the netting and gave up after that.
             
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            Pigeons also eat small flower seedlings so I have to net cosmos etc grown for cutting. Dahlias they leave alone and slow worms help keep down slugs.
             
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            At the moment i've got a big problem with rats, all of a suden they came, used up my bait and order more, but yesterday i tryed a bit of whole meal bread with honey and brock up 2 paracetamol tabs (crushed with 2 spoons) and put onto the honey and push it all together, put out in the rat run and gone in seconds, repeated, repeated & repeated all gone, but looking around i found a pile of bread on the rat run, this morning all bread gone and haven't seen any rats :yahoo:
             
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            • Drahcir

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              It's a big problem here. I've spent £75 just in wire netting, the posts and straining wire being "salvaged" for very little money.

              However, regarding birds, the subject in hand, some plotholders do nothing, or even encourage them (!) (mainly those who grow weeds, flowers and use their plots as a back garden/social area); some go to great lengths with mesh cages. I have also purchased some Enviromesh ("by the metre", which is cheaper than specific sizes, but £85!!) and made some tunnels from salvaged chicken wire. Both are a nuisance, restricting development of crops, hampering weeding, and using time. Without them any brassicas would be impossible. I am even thinking of re-meshing my broad beans while they're producing, because jackdaws! The whole field is a mecca for avian pests. They have food provided for them or grown for them, water easily accessible in troughs for them to drink, and virtually no predators bar the odd plot holder who nobly but infrequently takes action. I might buy or make a Larsen covid trap to help.

              I'm waffling, again. Back to the point.

              Looking around at other plots, it seems that runner beans are not troubled by birds.
               
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              Perhaps your allotment committee would take action? Especially if it's a council one ("public health concerns" etc.).
               
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              OT (rabbits): Out driving here and there, it used to be common to see an unfortunate rabbit with myxomatosis. Unfortunately, I have not seen one for ages. It would be beneficial to have one.
               
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              Earlier this year, a lady whose allotment is near mine, was in tears, because all her lovely seedlings had been eaten. Unprotected, left alone in seed trays for about an hour, destroyed.
               
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