What determines when the life of a weeping willow tree is over?

Discussion in 'Trees' started by Oldcodger, Aug 16, 2023.

  1. Oldcodger

    Oldcodger Apprentice Gardener

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    27
    Gender:
    Male
    Ratings:
    +25
    On Sunday there was a loud crack and a large branch broke off my weeping willow tree, even though there was little or no wind, it thankfully hasn’t done any damage, there are no signs of a previous crack and so it appears to have suddenly failed, see the pic. The strange thing is that there is a much longer branch that I was beginning to worry about that appears to be ok, but I have arranged for a tree surgeon to remove both branches, balance the tree and reduce the height and width slightly, but he didn’t make any negative comments about the tree, and I didn’t ask if it should be cut down.

    I am now concerned about a failure of the tree that would cause serious damage, as most articles talk about a 30 year life for a willow with possibly 50 years if the tree is well looked after, but I have done very little to the tree. Last year, from late spring to autumn I filled my wheelie bin every two weeks with leaves, as the tree was forever shedding them, although this year it hasn’t done that at all, so taking some drastic action now will save me a lot of work but consequently, I may not be able to provide a winter home for the hedgehog/s nesting under my shed!

    I planted the willow as a sapling around 30 years ago, consequently I wonder if I should have it cut down or perhaps pollard the tree? I was wondering if anyone has advice about pollarding a 30 yo willow, as most of the pictures on the internet seem to show fairly young trees? Many of the current branchlets are probably 15ft/5m long making an attractive “curtain” to look out upon from my house, so I wonder if the long branchlets would also form if the tree was pollarded?

    Previously I posted this thread and it was suggested that I needed to consult an arboricultural consultant, but harmonyarb said that they can only give advice “along the lines of what the 'likelihood of failure' is [low, medium, high etc.]”:-

    How to find a competent person to determine if my tree is in a safe condition.

    Subsequent to that thread, I emailed the Arboricultural Officer in the council, who had written to me, asking if he would recommend some competent persons to carry out an inspection of my willow tree, but he didn’t even have the courtesy to reply, so I assumed that he was just going through the motions and I didn’t take any further action at that time.

    I will be sad to have it cut back/down but c’est la vie!


    IMG_5202.png
     
  2. NigelJ

    NigelJ Total Gardener

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2012
    Messages:
    6,612
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Mad Scientist
    Location:
    Paignton Devon
    Ratings:
    +22,571
    That is true and that is what is in the report. Having used an aboriconsultant a couple of times recently, the first time I went round with him and had a general chat about the trees their health etc, he said the ones he looked at where in good health and not likely to fail;this was in his report in a more factual way probabilities, explanations notes etc. The second time he did a more general survey rather than looking at a particular group of trees and again the chat as he was packing up was more informative to me than the report which gave risk levels for the trees most were low level except for one strip that were moderate risk.This report was the basis for an application for permission to remove these trees which the consultant drafted and submitted.
    So it may well be worthwhile for you as the report will give you an idea as to whether you can leave alone or need to remove. At the end of the day it's still your decision.
    The leves dropping last year were probably down to the drought last spring/summer stressing the tree and the branch just dropping off could be related to this.
    I've never found the council tree officers to be much help.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • JWK

      JWK Gardener Staff Member

      Joined:
      Jun 3, 2008
      Messages:
      32,096
      Gender:
      Male
      Location:
      Surrey
      Ratings:
      +48,979
      The council has to remain impartial so can't officially recommend tree surgeons or any other type of business. Otherwise they would share some responsibility and could be held liable if things went wrong. Best to get a local recommendation from checkatrade or the like. Around here the good tradesmen get recommended on our local Facebook page, worth joining your local group just for that.
       
      • Like Like x 1
      • shiney

        shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

        Joined:
        Jul 3, 2006
        Messages:
        62,939
        Gender:
        Male
        Occupation:
        Retired - Last Century!!!
        Location:
        Herts/Essex border. Zone 8b
        Ratings:
        +122,455
        I would suggest that you have it pollarded at some time.

        We have a large willow (1/6d in the WI in 1953 :heehee:) and it is still going strong now but with some care taken over it.

        Willows tend to have brittle wood so they can break fairly easily if a lot of weight is put on the branches - just like a lever.

        We now have ours pollarded every five years or so.

        Last year
        P1540976.JPG

        End of January
        P1560235.JPG

        Fifteen minutes ago
        P1580371.JPG

        We had a large horizontal branch that was still full of leaf in October 1987 and the hurricane ripped it out, leaving a large wound - as in the picture below.
        P1580372.JPG

        That is now a hollow about 2ft long and 1ft wide and over 1ft deep. The tree is happy to continue growing and the centre of the hole is just rotten wood pulp. As that is not the living part of the tree there is no problem with it. The woodpeckers love it and go in there for an afternoon snack of insects.

        With regard to leaves falling. Our tree drops leaves from the moment they have grown and gradually drops more and more from late September until early February. Willows produce so much leaf that there is always plenty on the tree.

        This was how it looked in January just before the pollarding
        P1560121.JPG

        You can see where it had been pollarded previously
        P1560115.JPG

        P1560117.JPG

        and that growth was in just five or six years.
         
        • Like Like x 2
        • Informative Informative x 1
        • Oldcodger

          Oldcodger Apprentice Gardener

          Joined:
          Nov 20, 2019
          Messages:
          27
          Gender:
          Male
          Ratings:
          +25
          Thanks very much Shiney, it was very kind of you to spend so much time loading all your pics, I am very grateful, and thanks to all the other contributors too, it certainly gives me food for thought.

          I can’t get far enough away to get a decent pic, but this is the best that I can do:-

          IMG_5205.jpeg
           
          • Friendly Friendly x 1
          • infradig

            infradig Gardener

            Joined:
            Apr 28, 2022
            Messages:
            995
            Gender:
            Male
            Occupation:
            Freelance self preservationist
            Location:
            Solent
            Ratings:
            +1,155
            My specific advice is to ensure the contractor you consult/employ is locally recommended and locally resident, with a residential address thats not a caravan on a transit. Much grief results from itinerant treefellers, especially avoid any who coldcall upon you.
             
            • Like Like x 1
            • TreeTreeTree

              TreeTreeTree I know sh!t about trees

              Joined:
              Apr 8, 2011
              Messages:
              275
              Ratings:
              +247
              Weeping willows are notorious for randomly tearing out limbs. You have a few options:

              • A crown reduction, as your tree surgeon offered. This will reduce the end-loaded weight of the branches and prevent further tear-out.
              • Pollard - Removal of all branches, just leaving the main scaffold limbs to re-sprout next year. (Willows nearly always bounce back from a good hiding and you'll be more able to control the length the new shoots get to with more regular maintenance).
              • Remove the tree completely and never have to deal with the threat of impending branch failure and near-constant leaf-drop. Replant with something more robust and manageable.
              • Do nothing and see what (if anything) happens next!
               
              • Like Like x 3
              • Informative Informative x 1
              Loading...

              Share This Page

              1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
                By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
                Dismiss Notice