Electric cars.

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  1. shiney

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    I'm waiting for them to bring out a report, in just a few years' time, that lithium is bad for people's health or the environment, or both, and that they will charge you for driving into a BALZ, UP - Ban All Lithium Zone, Unless Paying.
     
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      Hi,

      Just give it time shiney.

      It's already a huge health hazard for those in The Congo. Slave labour hasn't been abolished and is supported by those buying EV's.



      Kind regards, Colin.
       
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        This is perhaps my biggest problem with EVs. When considering the whole supply chain there's no way I can agree an EV is 'good'.
         
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          No but the absence of this sort of winter since the 70's could be due, in part, to petrol/diesel vehicles.

          Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) is not a major supplier of lithium (not in top 10 world suppliers).
          DRC is a major supplier of cobalt, tantalum, copper, tin and diamonds. There is substantial amount of smuggling of coltan, casserite and diamonds.
          These materials are used in all modern electronics including EV's, ordinary cars, phones, modern power supplies and electric motors etc etc.

          On a brighter note there are useful amounts of lithium in Cornwall and these are being developed see Projects - Cornish Lithium Plc. hopefully this will be more successful than the recent attempts to exploit tungsten near Plymouth Drakelands Mine - Wikipedia
          The current owners have recently halved the workforce.
           
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            Also a health hazard when one of them catches fire - one of the things that needs serious discussion, because as yet if it is mentioned all that is screamed back is that "ICE cars catch fire too you know...", missing the point entirely.
             
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              The missed point is how they burn and how we should deal with them. They burn hotter, longer and are nigh on impossible to extinguish, not least because the chemical composition of the batteries mean that they produce their own oxygen as they burn (thermal runaway); they also produce fumes that are much more toxic than an ICE/hydrocarbon fire, so we should be schooling people on how to mitigate those risks. We should be looking at the transportation risks also, because like it or not, they are increased over ICE.
               
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                Hi,

                I've started something haven't I. There's lots of YouTube videos covering EV via ICE. My choice is not to own an EV and I'd feel unsafe being a passenger in an EV; not only are EV fires virtually impossible to extinguish but what about electrocution; recessed door handles that cannot be opened from outside and massive depreciation.

                Interesting to see the blanket being pulled over the EV fire; will these blankets replace spare wheels and be supplied with new EV's.

                My wife and I are doing more to save the planet by keeping our Yeti unlike all those who now take out a brand new EV on contract then hand them back when the contract expires; we used to trade in our ICE cars at less than three years but we own our car outright and now our Yeti at 7 years old costs us virtually nothing but recently used ICE's have been increasing in value whereas EV's are bombing.

                There are two groups; the "Evangelists" as often referred to EV owners and we who prefer our ICE's

                What's going to happen when EV's reach say fifteen years old and their battery is dead or dying; we watched a YouTube video showing a ten year old Nissan Note where a full battery charge took it 18 miles; about a decent trip out on a cycle?

                Will our government in a few years treat EV owners as they now treat diesel owners.

                Time I got cracking and strim the meadow using my polluting two stroke petrol strimmer.

                Kind regards, Colin.
                 
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                  It seems it is, however - it extends way beyond firefighting technique. We have something being mandated - forced upon us that as yet still does not have fully developed risk management. I'm not saying that they can't be developed, but they surely should have reached a level of development before being made mandatory?

                  To highlight the level of ignorance, we have a situation where we live in a world where even things as simple as washing up liquid has to have COSHH data for it to be used in a workplace, yet we are about to mandate the use, domestically, of products that do not yet have a fully established set of rules and standards as to how to handle them when things go wrong.

                  The amount of power/energy involved in larger installations is beyond frightening too - and whilst our electrical standards in this country are thankfully among the best (if not the best) in the world, we are not used to dealing with such power volumes in domestic and small/medium business settings.

                  There is a LOT that needs to be worked out, properly.
                   
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                  Did you see the pictures of just small batteries being put into the general recycling and exploding on the belt as people were sorting it.
                   
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                    Doubt many new electric Corsas are sold as a cash purchases, the majority of all new cars seem to be on the PCP type of deals.

                    The AA were just saying to other week that they have loads of s/h electric corsas for sale, 12-18 months old with typically 10k miles on the clock but selling for literally half price, £17k
                    Looks an attractive deal but with the manufacturers rated Average range of just 180-200 miles when new its really is just a city car.

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                    Even on a PCP, £36k is wholly unaffordable. Even assuming a £7k deposit, the monthlies would still be somewhere in the region of £550-600 a month... for a Corsa.

                    This is one of the things that is grinding my gears about the ULEZ scam - there are a LOT of disabled people who rely heavily on their cars, yet cannot afford to replace them for one reason or another, so often have older cars that do relatively low mileages. They will get £2000 to scrap their vehicle, but what are they being pushed into in terms of debt to be able to buy a replacement?

                    Even those who are in the situation where they are sufficiently disabled to receive the higher rate mobility allowance are being stuffed when they are forced into vehicles that are significantly more expensive purely by virtue of their propulsion method. The friend I mentioned earlier had to pay a deposit of over £5000 on the electric vehicle he had to get - worse still, he will be in a similar situation in 2 to 3 years time when he has to replace it again. How can that be right?
                     
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                      Ahhh, but if you remember correctly, first they made us all buy those useless coiled types that were dim and not up to the job, it was only after we had all spent loads on them that they came up with LED ones.
                       
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                      I wonder if any workplace with car parking has risk assessed an EV blowing up?
                       
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                        There was a fire on a ship carrying vehicles (new Mercedes) in the North Sea the other week, it is suspected this was due to an EV battery problem. If that was the case that will be the second fire caused by this on a vessel carrying vehicles this year. Could mean that insurers get very wary about shipping EVs with power packs fitted.
                        See Fremantle Highway: Disaster averted as burnt car carrier reaches port
                         
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