Run off rainwater from Shed roof

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    I think I can, if I walk sideways down it. It's about 1 ft wide from the fence to the side of the fence. As the roof of the shed comes over the side of the shed it is about 9.5 inches from edge of roof to fence.
     
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      Yes, I would have to look into them joining most likely at the back into a water butt at the back right edge of the shed.
      Thanks for the info re: rainfall. Jesus that is alot of full water butts. To be honest, I'd rather be in the position to use the water from the butt regularly for the lawn, plants out front or back (once I get some) etc. then have it overflow. The current space at the back of the garden to right of the shed is always wet, if I plan to put a water butt there and plant something beside it, I just think any water overflow will have to go towards the paving in that corner which are already a bit loose from the wet. I'd be more comfortable having to monitor and empty it myself as required, even if it means the odd time I will have nowhere to use it when it is full.
       
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      Any pics of your guttering at the back of the shed and and into the downpipe? Is a soakway just a medium sized hold dug into the garden around a foot down?
       
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      A soakaway would need to be at least 2 ft square I would think, about 18ins deep, but without knowing how much wet you get or how well drained your soil is its difficult to say.
      Just dig a hole around that size and fill it almost with gravel, put some plastic sacks on top and then a couple of inches of soil and then turf, put a section of down pipe into it before you fill it up.
      I find things like this difficult to explain in words, can I suggest you have a look at a few videos on Youtube, you get differing ideas then and can use the ideas that suit your situation.
       
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        Thank you Pete, very helpful as always. I have done a bit of searching online and come across slightly different approaches alright, but I will use youtube to see some videos. I have a better idea of what is required now without knowing it all but I can take it from here to make a reasonable attempt.
        First thing is to get guttering sorted!
        If you had a pic of your guttering from your shed please post too. Thanks.
         
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        My shed is a bit dilapidated to be honest, so I'll pass on showing pictures of it if you dont mind.:roflol:
        But once you work out what guttering pieces you need it really isn't that difficult, get all the same make of parts and they all just clip together.
         
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          From your pictures and your mention of how wet it is by the shed , think you ought to do a bit of checking before digging out a full sized soak away.

          First get a small spade and dig a small hole by the shed, a spade in width and as deep as you can easily go, though at least 300mm - 400mm.

          You will have some darker coloured top soil below the grass, but then what ? is it thick clay as often found in new builds or decent sub soil ?

          Leave the hole open for a day or so during these rains and see if the water level actually goes down or is it just being retained like a pond ?

          If its the latter, then little point in digging a bigger hole as it has nowhere it can go.
          Also consider the elevated land behind that wall and that some of its water will be soaking down towards your area.

          There was another recent thread about shed guttering here which might help.
          Adding guttering to Shed
           
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            If you have no particular desire to use the rainwater, why are you collecting it? The amount of rain falling will not increase because you have a shed, so save the extra expense/effort. Just care for the preservation of the shed and enjoy your new home.
             
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              I'm certainly no DIY person but because of the amount of rainfall you are implying you will get I would be inclined to do it slightly differently.

              Still have the guttering and the water butt and have the butt raised on blocks. Then, when you have an excess of rain water you can attach a hosepipe to the tap on the butt and run it to your rainwater soakaway drain at the house. Then it should save your garden getting soggy or the need for you to dig a soakaway that may not work at all.

              You would need to raise the butt so that you can get the pressure of the fall to make it work by itself. :blue thumb:
               
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                Any use?


                Have the overflow from the butt going to a flower bed, soakaway or similar
                 
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                  Fair comment, my original post/query has escalated as the helpful people on here have provided more guidance (especially around guttering). The only reason for collecting it would be to prevent it going straight onto the already wet area of grass down there. Of course the amount of rain falling wont increase because I have a shed but where the rainwater ultimately sits is over a reduced area by virtue of the fact all the rain that falls in the area of the shed is going to ultimately land on either side of the shed as it slides off the roof.

                  Preservation of the shed would surely also entail managing the rainwater that falls off either side of the shed, which is what my original post was about. As you can see from the pics, there is already puddles forming at the side of the shed.

                  At the very least, I think some sort of guttering makes sense, where it flows to (water butt, grass or soakaway pit) can be decided after.

                  The shed is sitting on 12 x 4 inch concrete blocks, but due to the fact they put skirting on the front and right side (two visible sides) of the shed has meant the trim on the corner of the shed is now sitting on the grass, which is ideally not what you would want in terms of preservation and avoiding moisture rot getting in. Also the skirting board is sitting on the grass but as that is more for aesthetics, I dont believe it will soak up into the board above. I have asked them to come out and shorten the trim on the corners of the shed (see in red in pic) so it is not sitting on the grass soaking up the wet.


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                  Thanks, yes maybe get the gutters and have the water run off into the grass a couple of feet from the shed is the first step, then I can decide about a soakaway pit/water butt etc.

                  I will have a look at that wood preserver, the shed company had advised some yacht varnish for the shed. Would you know if a wood preserver is better than a yacht varnish?
                  I presume if its used for yachts, which spend their time in water, it must be a solid choice to put on a shed and protect from rain/water etc.
                   
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                  I thought yacht varnish was a thing of the past, I used to hate the stuff.:biggrin:

                  I cant imagine it being a shed treatment.

                  I'm not well up on what is available these days but I'd go for something oil based, the modern water based stuff is basically a decorative coating.
                   
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                    Honestly :scratch::scratch::scratch: maybe this shed just needs to be moved away from the 2 sides of fence leaving gaps that allow to walk around freely. There'll be more of soak away territory too then for a rainwater.
                     
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                    Who chose ash for anything that is likely to stand outdoor for any length of time was obviously living in a desert somewhere.
                    If they used yacht varnish then they were probably not in the real world.

                    How it ever got the name "Yacht Varnish" is a complete mystery to me.:roflol:
                     
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