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  1. pete

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    Blimey it was 7 weeks when I was at school.
    Best 7 weeks of the year IMO.:biggrin:
     
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      Holy moly - our kids still get July and August and a whole pile of other weeks off. 1 at christmas, 1 at easter, 1 at new year and then there are a lot of "P" days - professional development days - which are tacked on to long weekends so they get at least a 4 day weekend. A nightmare for parents who need daycare when the young ones are home.

      The starting salary for most rookie teachers here is around $73K - that's about 50k of your pounds. And they work about 9 months of the year. Tops.
       
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        I think it was six weeks when I went, left 1963 at 15 with 8 'O' Levels.
        No wonder kids are so ill educated today!
         
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        Summer hols is 6 weeks and the teachers work their butts off. Starting salary is 22-24k which is why so many leave after a short time
         
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          I left at 15 with no O levels, you didn't do O levels until the 5th year when I was at school, I left after the 4th.
          I think they were called CSEs back then and then GCEs in the 6th year.
           
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            We used to have 10 weeks summer holiday, half term was only one day each term (always a Friday), Christmas was from Christmas Eve and then back on Jan 2nd, Easter was from good Friday and back on Tuesday.

            We also had Bank Holidays off but I don't seem to remember that there were as many as now :scratch:

            There were no closed academic (teacher training) days but we did get the afternoon off on Founder's Day.

            Those were the days! :doh:

            Only slightly related:- I remember all the fuss kicked up when they cancelled School Certificates and Matriculation and brought in the GCE O-Levels. Early 50's I think.
             
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            Details for England here:

            Pay Scales (England)
             
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              Yeah but what is the finishing salary?:biggrin:
              Most starting salaries have always been low, you cant start at the top.

              I'm hearing moaning's regarding teachers and nurses paying higher rate tax, so they moan because they dont get paid enough and then they moan about having to pay more tax.:dunno:
               
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              Personally I'd pay both professions at least 50% more and give them tax breaks and incentives
               
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                I'm all for them being paid well.

                That pay scale posted above isn't very explanatory and only 55% of people (presumably teachers or those wishing to become teachers) said it was helpful, and 36% said it was unhelpful. The rest said they want more info - which I interpret as not helpful enough.

                Not a good example of teaching ability from a teaching union. I'd have thought that they would have used that feedback to try and improve their presentation and information.

                Definitely a 'Could Do Better' and I guess that Ofsted would have given them an 'Inadequate'. Although that's not much of a determination as Ofsted are now under investigation for being inadequate! :rolleyespink:
                 
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                I'm all for everyone to be well paid.
                 
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                  Pensioners included :)
                   
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                    The triple lock is not sustainable, as they keep saying, but that is only due to sky high inflation.
                    Which I assume is not sustainable either.
                     
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                    I still get annoyed about politicians and 'experts' talking about percentages :mad:. It should actually be about 'how much'.

                    A 6% rise on the full state pension of £200 is £12 per week. A 4% wage rise on someone earning £30,000 p.a. is almost double that. This is nothing against anyone's level of earnings but against the politicians using percentages to try and justify their arguments on whatever subject. :wallbanging: Most of the time they don't know what they're talking about - as shown in a different way in the current covid enquiry.
                     
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                      pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                      Definitely agree, this percentage thing just makes the divide between the rich and the poor greater all the time and has done for years.
                      I see they are raising the basic living wage, very generous of the government especially as it's someone else who has to pay it.
                       
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