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    As mentioned on another thread, I have a fence that I would quite like to cover and am considering clematis - having a potter around on the internet the other day, specifically looking for an 'all season' mix, and I stumbled over this:

    Clematis All Season Climbing Collection | Suttons

    Other than needing occasional trimming back, are there any pitfalls to be aware of? Would a couple of these co-exist along the same fence?
     
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    Just to add context, here is an overhead of our garden - the fence where I would like to put these is along the pink line (there is a gate opening in the middle), although they can quite happily go off and scramble over the outer fences (yellow); there is a slight slope to the garden, with the north-facing side being a bit lower than the other, and consequently it holds water more.

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    I don't see why not. I've got a few different types on the same fence myself.
     
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      Hi,

      Those Suttons ones look good though they say they do not despatch until August and then only in a small 7cm pots, so you will be looking well into next year before they cover anything of that big fence, let alone flower.

      Think you will find your local garden centers will have a much better selection now or shortly, ours usually have 1mtr tall ones in for under a tenner.

      Guessing your fence is about 8-10 mtrs long ? so think you can get way will quiet a few plants, and have a look as getting group1 ,2 and 3 types and hardy ones so you have a good succession of flowers and foliage
      One or two Montanas wil soon help cover the fence but they are mostly a spring flowerer.

      Also consider some filler plants for the first season or two like tall sweet peas and other similar annual climbers like Nastrurtiums etc.

      Places like the Range and B&M also have some limited varieties of decent sized Clematis plants plus lots of cheaper smaller ones that if planted early this year will be a good size next year.
       
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        Hi FC, if you're wanting a selection for all-year round colour, how about these...C. montana 'Mayleen' or 'Tetrarose' (spring), C. Perle d'Azur or Prince Charles or Blue Angel (early summer), C. viticella - any colour that you like (late summer), C. cirrhosa 'Winter Parasol' in the sunniest, most sheltered spot. I'd have recommended Taylors Clematis as having the best selection and good prices, but they've been taken over by Sarah Raven, so don't know if they're still feasible.
        Taylors Clematis by Sarah Raven | Sarah Raven
        Thorncroft were good, too, if a bit pricey.
        Buy Quality Clematis & Climbers|Thorncroft Clematis Superior Quality Climbers - thorncroftclematis.co.uk
        Or as Ricky says, have a look for some bigger plants in the local GC. Small plants can take quite a while to settle in to less-than-perfect soil. They'll need watering through their first couple of summers too.
         
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          Hi @Fat Controller when Morrisons start selling plants again (normally in March I think), they often have loads of different clematis very cheap. I got c. triternata rubromarginata and a couple of others - about £1.50 each I think. I recommend that variety
           
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            They are a bit to small they really need growing on another year, slugs like young clematis . How large / long is the fence FC? Clematis montana can get very large.

            I like Montana but they can look messy in the winter , clematis Armandii may be of interest spring flowering evergreen / vigorous / scented and usually found at B&M for £10-12 . I bought a clematis Montana rubens from asda last year its ready to plant out now , its going on a fence.

            And as Noisette has mentioned any viticella are brilliant plants and lots to pick from and usually much longer flowering around 3 months. I wouldn't be without my Super nova .

            They is also some summer/ autumn flowering ones they are Flammula group some are very big like Terniflora ( probably not montana size ) white flowers and rubromarginata is another , they are the most scented clematis with small flowers but loads of them.
             
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            Good point @ricky101 - I hadn't even spotted the delivery dates. A good excuse to go to my local garden centre next weekend methinks..
             
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              Ooooh, I didn't think of Morrisons! Good call!
               
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              Thank you :)

              Very good point about the soil too as it is somewhat less than perfect, especially on the grenhouse side of the garden. I'll do the local garden centres first I think (good excuse to have a mooch around and come home with a bootful :heehee:) and go from there.
               
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                Just wanted to come back with a note of thanks for the link to Thorncroft - I've just bought three clematis from them:

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                I also picked up an Armandii Snowdrift at the garden centre during the week, so there won't be a fence nor tree in the garden that is not adorned :heehee:
                 
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                  A good looking selection there :dbgrtmb:

                  Don't forget to plant them deep as they say it helps regrowth if any suffer from wilt.

                  Some tall Sweet Peas will help fill out the fence during the early years.

                  ps just to add to @noisette47 comment about slugs, find a ring of the Copper Tape on the soil around the base of the plant really works when the new shoots emerge in the Spring,
                   
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                    Wonderful, FC! It's recommended to put the large-flowered, stripy pink and red ones in a shady spot so they don't fade in the hot sun.....:whistle::roflol: Also to put a large flat stone or bit of slab on the soil in front of the plant, to help keep the roots cool. Watch out for slugs and snails, though :)
                    If you can, mix a bit of blood, fish and bone, or even just bonemeal into the soil, as long as the pooch can't get to it.
                     
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                      Thank you both :)

                      The Armandii and the Ooh La la ones are for the west/north(ish) facing border and the others are for the west/south(ish) facing sides. Thanks also for the mention of slugs etc as I will have to get suitably armed for those as I also have a hosta coming, amongst other things. I need to get a slab and some bricks to mount Mrs C's new bird bath, so will get extra slabs to cover the roots :dbgrtmb:
                       
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                        Well blow me, that must be why the pikeys round here have been known to relieve Orange of some of their wiring :ideaIPB:
                        Bless, they were just looking to protect plants...:whistle:
                         
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