Latest Moan From You and Me 2024

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  1. Punkdoc

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      That is a small blessing at least. Indeed, that is 30k people that would otherwise have been fit and healthy (presumably) and additional load. That is the size of a decent sized town.
       
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      So what are they doing for them, I just feel covid to be the reason that is given for nothing working anymore, not just NHS, but everything.

      I'm hearing people that cant get jobs, but then also I'm hearing we need to import more people because everyone is off sick.

      Something more than a virus happened during covid and I'm not sure how long its going to take for it to go away, possibly more than a generation.

      Its been a total change of some peoples mindset.
       
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        I'm not sure if this is the right place to post it or whether there is anywhere .
        Anyway here goes.
        There is a pro Gaza march.
        A man in a kippah chooses to walk directly in front of them.
        A police officer suggests that his actions might be inflammatory and advises him to walk elsewhere for his own safety and to avoid a riot or whatever.
        He makes a fuss, which I suspect was the intention and now there are calls for police resignations and sackings
        Have I got this wrong?
         
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          He was blatantly trying to stir up trouble IMO.
          Personally, its one conflict that we really do not wont to get involved in the whole area has been a mess for years.
           
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            Totally agree, he was inciting trouble and the police were right.
             
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              If the house is unfit for purpose because it's on fire, the solution is not to build an extension on it.

              Step 1. Identify the top one or two of the biggest issues.

              Step 2. Plan a fix to the issues identified in step 1.

              Step 3. Execute the plan.

              Step 4. Measure results.

              Step 5. Go to step 1. Repeat until you have a working system.
               
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              It's public sector, it can't be 'fixed'. The internal systems counter each other, there's not enough consistency and changes are resisted at all levels.
               
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              Agree, more so when you see the percentage of that population is ageing.
              In the census of 1991, roughly 16% of the population was in the 65+ age group, by 2021 it had increased to roughly 19.8%. Nearly a 4% increase in 30 years, but that is accelerating now and it is predicted that the 65+ age group will account for 26% of the population by 2041. It has been one of the greatest achievements increasing life expectancy, but with it comes challenges, with heightened demand and expectations to public services the financing for the wealth fare system is increasing also.

              That's when taxes rises and raising the state retirement age plus cuts to the public sector get mooted around. Other countries around the globe have the same issue, but how do present and future governments tackle it. Korea is rapidly becoming an ageing population, to think that by 2060, 50% of the population will be in the 61 year plus bracket, is quite scary.
               
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                Maybe stop blowing money around like it is confetti on the wrong things and concentrate on doing the basics for a start.
                 
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                  If you seriously believe the private sector could run the health service better, take a look at the USA. They spend 2.5 times per person what we spend, and yet provide no care at all, if you don't have insurance.
                   
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                    This graph shows health spending per country. Capture25.JPG
                     
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                    So, it says that the USA spends most on health care but does that include how much individuals pay in insurance, I've only heard that if you dont have insurance the service is very basic if at all, surely that cant be how much the government spends on health care.

                    Ok sorry still looking at the graph.
                     
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                    I believe the US has one of the highest rates of death as a result of medical error and misadventure (eg dying because of drug interactions). So more money is not leading to better outcomes there.
                     
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                      So it would seem, which takes us back to square one, more money is not the answers, so what is.
                       
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