Wildfarmed bread

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    Hello all, just wondering if anyone knows anything about this subject?
    We watch Clarksons Farm ( can’t stand the man but it is really interesting) and they were talking about this new way of farming wheat with beans that feeds the soil? I found d it fascinating and would like to support it so any information would be great.
    I am not in any way advertising this product just want to know more so any farmers out there?
     
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    Beans are a member of the legume family along with peas, their roots fix nitrogen from the air and transfer it into the soil to benefit other plants. This has been well known for ages and one of the reasons crop rotation is used. Is this what is being discussed?
     
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        Apparently it’s a company run by ex musicians and they plant wheat and beans together with the idea of feeding the soil and cutting the use of chemicals but I wasn’t sure what the science behind it was
         
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        None at all. It's locked up in the roots of the legume. That is until the legume dies off and starts to decompose.
         
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          It will be a hard crop to combine if the 2 crops are planted together and then there will be a lot of cleaning and separting later, ok separting the wheat from the beans will be easy because of the size of wheat to beans unless they are going to use both in the bread, may taste different
          Both wheat and beans will have to be both ready and fit to combine at the same time if not you may lose a lot of 1 crop because other isn't fit
          I think it could work but on the other hand if weather/crop isn't right it will be a real pain in the back side
          I used to do a lot of combining years ago and under planting then used to be a pain in backside
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          Also if there is Ergot in the wheat then you will have to gravity separate twice, once to get the beans out then separate the Ergot from the wheat as Ergot is a NO NO to go into human food chain so i can see it may cost more than you gain
          If both are used in the bread then there will be lots of bread made that won't be the same, if you like your bread to be the same every time you buy it, if 1 crop does well it will take from the other and the same the other way round, most standrad bread you buy will be made up of many types of wheat so if the mix of wheat to bean isn't the same then it will change the bread
           
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            Probably ideal for those that like the sweepings from the bottom of a bird cage in their bread.:biggrin:
             
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              I don’t think the wheat and beans are used together just grown together. Further investigation has revealed that marks and spencer sell wildfarmed bread so it must be pretty consistent quality
               
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              I can't see how they could be grown together, I was brought up on a farm and we grew all sorts of crops including field beans and wheat. Combining them needs completely different set ups of the various threshing drum tolerances and sieves. You couldn't possibly harvest them together even if they matured at the same time which they don't.

              Have you got a link @Debs64
               
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                I too come from a farming family. I don’t think the beans are harvested … they’re simply grown as a sort of living mulch which helps to bind the soul together
                and prevent erosion by heavy rain etc. The wheat is harvested normally … afterwards the stubble and whatever it’s been under sown with dies off and are incorporated into the soil.

                Similar to this Is undersowing cereal crops with clover the next big thing? - Farmers Weekly

                ETA Undersowing Spring Cereals with a Legume Mixture & Trialling a Living Mulch
                 
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                  And probably with a nice profit margin as well.
                   
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                    Undersowing with low growing legumes would make more sense.
                    It appears that a lot of the benefits are from the additional space the wheat plants have, lack of competition for light from other wheat plants.
                     
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                    There was a bit about it on clarksons farm series 3 episode 2 I think, I thought it sounded interesting and so looked into it a bit but wondered how accurate the science was
                     
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                    Ah I misunderstood, that makes some sort of sense I guess. Clover seems a better candidate. The field beans we used to grow were taller than wheat.
                     
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                    :ideaIPB: I can imagine Jeremy Clarkson describing leguminous plants as ‘a type of bean’ can’t you?!
                     
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