Should supermarkets be banned from selling plants

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    I think @Adam I is saying he does not think there should be a "you can't sell plants" ban full-stop, @shiney, but rather it should be made awkward to sell them with rules about containers, use of pesticides, etc. :)
     
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      @ViewAhead Thanks for that interpretation.

      We sell a lot of plants :blue thumb:, all for charity, and I know we don't need a licence under PHR.

      I do agree that there should be more regulation about pesticides, we don't use them, but do use plastic pots as they don't cost us or the charity anything.

      We originally got our pots, last century :heehee: from a local nursery, that were already secondhand. They have two enclosures 4' x 4' x 5' for customers to put their old pots and trays and we have permission to take what we need. Over 95% of the plants we sell have the empty pots returned to us (thankfully, now, most have been already washed :phew:) and have been recycling them continuously for years. Plastic is good if used properly.
       
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        I am a bit ignorant about plant passports, are they needed for plants grown in the UK as well as the obvious Dutch grown ones?

        I guess policing of plant passports is with Defra who are not adequately staffed ?
         
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          Rules regarding pots and pesticides would just mean the price of the plants would rise.
          I think, there are fairly strict rules on what can and can't be used already.
           
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            Surely plant passports are only needed for export or import.
            Are they different to phytosanitary certificates.
             
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            I don't bother to look at the plants in most supermarkets, but I must say Home Bargains and B&M Bargains have good garden departments (the ones near here do anyway) and the plants are mostly well looked after. Sometimes you can get quite unusual things in B&M , and they and Home Bargains have the plants displayed nicely too.
             
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              @JWK and @pete

              The answer is no and yes. :roflol:

              No to the first question as plant passports are for moving plants within Great Britain (and dependencies).

              Yes to the second question as they are different.

              They are also different to the Plant Health Regulations licence - that is not needed by individual gardeners if not deliberately selling for profit. :doh:
               
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              Thanks @shiney for explaining. The trouble is with rules and regulations that very few people understand them, must admit I am one of them and would call myself a keen gardener. So introducing bans on supermarkets selling plants would be more confusing red tape. What defines a supermarket anyway, somewhere that sells food and drink? I can think of many garden centres nearby that do that, have butchery departments and sell clothes as do Sainsbury's etc.
               
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                As annoying as our countries post brexit crackdown on plant imports is, its completely justified: germany and italy importing box topiary from china in the millions is the cause of native boxes possibly extinction in half of europe for example, and this has happened time and time again.
                this isnt an issue of supermarkets alone but of mass-production and distribution, of international shipping. As with farming and crafts it hurts us economically too since the prices drop so far nobody small, or smaller than chinese city-factory scale can make a living.

                if you do get plastic try to get hardier stuff like thick polypropelyne, that will at least last ages. people use plastic because its amazing stuff for dirt cheap :rolleyespink:
                 
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                  I was informed due to health and safety they don't like to water as if anyone slips/falls occur them may be liable.

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                    How is that any different to a garden centre or nursery though? They often have hoses snaking along aisles, are people more careful because they expect it ?
                     
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                      Agree about the fish. They barely manage to sell fresh dead fish; let alone live.
                       
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                      I quite often see those yellow warning signs in the supermarket where someone has spilled or broken something and made the floor slippery.
                      Have you tried Morrisons, best and cheapest fish I have found, even better than Waitrose which is expensive and poor in my opinion.
                      Don't even mention Tesco's. :frown:
                       
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                      Exports from other countries, particularly non-EU ones, need a Phytosanitary Licence and have needed similar for many years. The problem here is whether they are checked properly. :dunno:
                       
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                      In these parts all the fabulous plant nurseries have gone to make way for New build housing estates :mad: So in one respect the plants sold at the supermarkets are handy but as has been said the condition of them is a disgrace.I can't grasp why they don't water or better still stand the plants in water overnight and then at least they would be worth buying the next day.
                       
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