Separate Moan Thread About The Election

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  1. shiney

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    It's interesting to see the arguments on here for all the sides (more than both sides) of the topic with not a single one going to have the slightest effect upon the other. :noidea:

    I vote for @wiseowl for Prime Minister :thumbsup:
     
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      It’s a shame that the Gates Foundation concentrates on saving lives rather than preventing them.
       
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        I agree that the Rwanda scheme is unlikely to solve the problem, I don't even believe Sunak is serious about getting it off the ground, it's a diversion to hide the fact that they have allowed three quarters of a million in legally.
        It is a tactic that could work to some extent if it was allowed to be tried, after all it worked to some extent in Australia.

        Other than that we have no ideas from any of the usual parties.

        I struggle to see how wanting to restrict the amount of people , and who they are, from setting up shop in your country is racist.
        But it's the usual word that gets shouted every time in order to stifle any proper debate, which is why the problem will never be solved.
         
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        The Gates Foundation is not democratically elected and should have no say in anything, full stop. We should all worry about control masked as philanthropy and philanthropy that makes billions for the so called philanthropists, taken from tax payers and the poorest.
         
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          I'm not defending Farage, but "being a nice person" doesn't even make it onto the list of desirable political attributes. Being electable, ie appearing to be a nice person on the doorstep for the length of the campaign, is pretty much the sole requirement for becoming an MP. Well, that and appealing to the prejudices of select committees, having a shedload of money to fund weeks off work while you campaign, and knowing how to fill in an expenses form creatively.
           
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            Why do people need to flee to here from France? Because we are a soft touch ....
             
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              Far more enter Europe and stay, rather than try to leave for Britain.
               
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                It is not wishing to control our borders per se that makes Reform racists, it is their views on what these immigrants do when they are here. It is about setting Jew against Muslim and Muslim against Christian. They try to provoke hatred, and we know where that will lead.
                 
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                  I don't think anyone needs to actually stir up religious unrest, it actually exists.

                  Reform are just facing the facts rather than pretending it's not there and hiding it under the carpet.

                  In order to sort out a problem you first have to admit it exists but again it's always another taboo subject and much easier to ignore and hope it goes away.

                  I assume having preduces are just the preserve of British people then, and never immigrants?
                  Of course not, it happens all over the world and many bring their own with them.
                   
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                    Long before John Lennon sang “Imagine” I used to wonder what sort of a world we would have if there were no countries, no borders, no nationalities fighting other nationalities over non existent things. Unlike the song, I can’t imagine it. Unrecognisable.

                    People would be able to migrate to whichever part of the world suited them. I think that eventually everything would even out with no poor parts, no rich parts, just a melange of everything and everybody.
                     
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                    Oh my word, whatever did he do to you?! :roflol:
                     
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                      Some areas of the planet have more natural resources, fewer extremes of weather etc. These areas are most likely to attract people who could go where they choose.
                       
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                        Sadly, the same can be said of Labour candidates - and of course quite likely of other parties. When you have any political party (or indeed any gathering of people) you will inevitably have those who have views that range from objectionable even through to racist. For clarity, the Labour candidate standing in Clacton against Farage was found to have said that his "favourite drink was white man's tears"... and let's not forget the likes of David Lammy, a current MP, who called 17.4 million people in this country "Nazis" live on Andrew Marr's TV show on BBC some years ago. There are many MP's or prospective MP's who have views we won't like, almost all will have skeletons in their closets if we dig deep enough.

                        Again, I would even question if it is the "far right" or is it the centre re-establishing itself? Think about it - centre to centre-right parties were being elected, and then rather than stick to the middle, they lurched quite hard to the left... so anyone that had elected them, suddenly getting the opposite of what they had voted for would be disgruntled (rightly so) - - so is there a thinking that to get even a little more toward the right their only option is those who would be traditionally called "far right"? I think the blunt truth is that for many people the fairly sudden (and some feel forced) lurch to the extreme left is a step too far - - and that is the world of politics... assuming you believe we live in democratic countries, if the majority vote for something that you personally don't believe in, you just have to accept it and get on with it. Indeed, I don't want Sir Flip Flop in No.10 in a couple of weeks, but we all know it is going to happen - I am going to have to suck it up and accept the result.
                         
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                          Circumstances alter cases. Who knows what skeletons the incoming government will find?
                           
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                            Racist, xenophobic, bigot, far right, populist (that one always makes me chuckle) - they've all mostly lost their real meanings because they've been chucked around like confetti.

                            If there was an answer for the additional infrastructure etc that we were needing to accommodate the increase in population, then fair enough - - but as I pointed out much earlier in the thread, we don't.. and it is that question that never seems to get answered.

                            Of course we all want to do the humanitarian thing and help our fellow man/woman, regardless of where they are from - - but, there is a limit to what you are able to do.
                             
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