Separate Moan Thread About The Election

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  1. Nikolaos

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    Absolutely, despite the utter stupidity of their views. Limiting their time is authoritarian behaviour. As an antiquarian, I'm often infuriated by the absolute rubbish pseudo-archaeologists like Graham Hancock spout on YouTube, but I wouldn't want them silenced. You beat poor arguments with better arguments, not by acting like a tyrant.
     
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      Quite a leap between political discourse and people believing the earth is flat, with all due respect.

      Also, do we live in a free and democratic society where you can have discourse on any subject, with either side able to put their view across, preferably backed by data or facts to support their argument?

      This "one side or the other" thing is part of the problem we have - where a lot of discussion has been quite deliberately quashed by pigeon-holing people into one box or another. Take those who were against the expansion of ULEZ - Mr Khan pigeon-holed them as "far-right" - - he did so, to shutdown any debate to force through his narrative. That, which ever way you cut it, is undemocratic.
       
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        I'm not sure how much respect you consider my view to be worth, but I was merely pointing out that in an attempt to be unbiased, you can skew the perceptions of the viewer.
         
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          :biggrin:I'm yet to meet a flat earther, I bet they dont go far on their holidays.:)
           
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            I’m sorry if I misunderstood the tenor of your post.
            I suppose it seems pejorative to me because coupled with the word ‘exposed’ it appears that it was something that was attempting to be hidden. Surely in an audience which is supposed to contain folk from across the political spectrum there should be people from the left, right and centre. Why would someone from the left be ‘exposed’ as such?
             
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              You can of course, skew perceptions - but then surely that works both ways? We've all seen something or someone and gone "Oh my goodness..." - - indeed, we've done it on this very thread, referring to Biden & Trump. By letting them have the air time, it shows blatantly that neither of them are fit for the power that one of them currently holds, one did hold and one of them will again.
               
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                For those that dont visit the joke thread.
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                  Combined with the collective hostility shown towards Farage throughout that segment and the fact that Salman Mirza is inclined to go on marches largely attended by far-leftists where genocidal rhetoric is not uncommon and the fact that he's a legal advisor to migrants seems indicative of a strong left-wing bias. Then we have the BBC employee, hardly the typical person off the street and they're also mostly left-wing. Where were the right-wingers and centrists in the audience who were indifferent to, or supportive of Farage? I saw very little evidence of it in the audience members asking questions.

                  Of course, none of this confirms any overall QT bias and I never claimed that, it's merely indicative and we'll see if anything further emerges about those two or the rest of the audience.
                   
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                    Perhaps the right wingers and folk who had formerly supported Farage felt let down and quite angry by the recent revelations … that’s certainly the case with someone I know well. He’s livid and had he been in that audience he would certainly have let Farage know his feeling of betrayal.
                     
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                      TBH I couldn't watch that kind of stuff, you know the audience is going to be hand picked and they vet the questions before they are asked.
                      Its hardly reality, like people just turn up and get the chance to ask questions, its all stage managed.
                       
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                        I think this is were it moves from informing the viewer to lecturing the viewer.

                        Not enough of the time are we just giving the facts.

                        People should be allowed to make up their own minds, but that seems to have gone out of fashion.
                         
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                          I just got a flurry of election literature through the door this morning. With all but one, the name of the party was proudly displayed.
                          That one, I had to scan twice to find the party. There, in a much smaller font, in the bottom right corner of one of the pages, was 'Conservative'. Maybe putting it on the right was meant to be a subliminal message.
                           
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                            Yes, that's definitely a possibility @Dovefromabove! As a Reform member who is also an ethnic minority, I'm certainly disappointed and angered by such behaviour, but too much seems extremely fishy about the severest offender in the C4 'expose'. It may not be something that C4 is implicated in, but the guy was undoubtedly putting on some sort of act and using his "rough voice", compared to how he usually speaks. As I said earlier, it's a total of around a dozen people, probably fewer, who have been exposed as saying objectionable things out of over 600 candidates, so hardly representative of the party. Of course, Reform have also been completely let down by their vetting company.
                             
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                              It's impossible for that party to stop treating us all like complete idiots for a single second, isn't it?
                               
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                                Even in giving the basic facts, the amount of time given to stating a fact can affect perception. How many independents have put themselves forward for election? If they were each given an equal amount of time, it would take days for everyone to have their say.
                                 
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