Separate Moan Thread About The Election

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    Oh yes I know they do on the radio .., I love listening to the closedown …although they no longer play the medley of tunes from England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. I loved that.
     
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      I always loved to hear Sailing By (Ronald Bilge?) - when I was a kid, we lived on a farm with no electricity (well, we did when the generator was running, but that was rare), so it was gas lighting, books and a radio for company. Many a sleepless night saw me migrate to Radio 4 to hear the shipping forecast and in particular, Sailing By
       
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        Ronald Binge, I was close..

         
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          I get the impression ( can't find an answer on Google) that many countries are electing or are likely to elect right wing or right of centre parties. It seems that we are going to buck the trend. Why is that, I wonder? Are we behind or ahead of the trend?
           
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            We had bottle gas lighting when we first moved to Suffolk … and that was only downstairs. No lights in our bedrooms other than a Tilley lamp which would be taken downstairs by Ma
            once we were tucked in bed and had been read a story. Thankfully we only had to wait a year or two before we were ‘connected up’.
             
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              I think it is mostly because the Tories have made such a pigs ear of things; Starmer and Labour are not winning because they are the best thing since sliced bread - they are winning simply because they are not the Tories or because the backside has fallen out of the Tory vote. That is the problem with percentages - turnout can be lower and lower, yet whoever turns out decides the vote.
               
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                We had a gas Tilley lamp which took butane cylinders (a bit like bigger versions of the Camping Gaz ones, if you remember those..) - I loved it because it also lobbed out a right good amount of heat, and heat was something we also didn't have really. Not fun, atop a hill, in a caravan, in the dead of winter in Scotland.
                 
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                I'd say behind the trend, in a decade's time I expect most governments in Europe to be right wing.
                 
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                  Perhaps we should be very scared then, Nationalism has a habit of leading to war. At least in 10 years, I will probably not be worried about another war.
                   
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                  I wasn’t aware of camping Gaz type stuff in the 50s. I started married life in a caravan in December70. Everything froze up … then thawed and burst … soaking all the wedding present bedlinen and towels etc. and we had mould problems ever after that. Then the cat had kittens on the sofa and the cooker ran out of gas on Christmas Day and although he said he’d got a spare bottle … he hadn’t …

                  Those were the days … not. …
                   
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                    We were a bit later, in the 80's - but yes, there were many experiences there that folks now wouldn't even consider as liveable. I learned fast to boil enough water to make a hot cuppa and fill a hot water bottle, then snuggle under the blankets with the radio on. Many a morning in the winter I'd wake up with the blankets frozen around me. The views were quite something, it has to be said. Surrounded by animals, both farmed and wild and able to walk for miles without seeing a soul if I so wished. I could sit of an evening, in the dark, watching the distant lights of the trucks and the odd train going by...

                    Got to be honest, if I could have a wee cottage with mains sewerage/electricity/broadband in the same location, I would be quite happy there.
                     
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                      When I was a teenager Labour were in leadership, My favourite band at that time were the BEATLES, Every £100 they earned Labour took £95, The same with all the 60's bands
                      Bodies were not buried and rubbish was mounted up in the street :-(
                       
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                        Not quite sure that nationalism is the problem - we've seen war even in times with non-nationalist parties in control.

                        The harsh truth is that the same story seems to be being repeated across Europe - folks were quite happy with anyone coming and going until it reached the point where they or their families couldn't get homes, or had public services overwhelmed, politicians not listening to them or not representing them at all, and all the while they were paying for it - oh, and often being berated for some inferred 'privilege' or generally being made to feel like scum.

                        Everyone has a breaking point.
                         
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                          Nationalism doesn't have to be based on race and expansionism, it can be based on shared culture and values and that's mostly what I'm seeing in Europe, the rise of moderate Civic Nationalism. :dunno: Ethnonationalism certainly won't ever be popular here IMO, I think the most popular far-right movement in the UK have about 5,000 members and subscribe to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, most Brits just don't go for that sort of nonsense, it's not our culture.
                           
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                            The Express seem to really want me to vote Reform! :roflol:

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