Separate Moan Thread About The Election

Jeremy *unt probably.

 

Yes, the idea is instead of a few rich folk deciding unilaterally that they will "give" money to pet projects that allow them to benefit through contracts, shares, and tax-relief, they would instead give 1% of their wealth to the gov which is democratically elected to make the choices about what money is spent on. The donators would get the buzz of helping, but no financial return for doing so.

When philanthropists make a profit from giving, this money comes from tax-payers and the poorest, and because they get tax-relief on top, this further costs wider society.

 

I voted, my vote was wasted.
And they wonder why there are such low turnouts.

 

I'm already starting to dislike some of the new cabinet and they have done nothing yet.
There is something about the way they talk which irritates me, cant put my finger on it, but I think its the pauses mid sentence.

They aint long enough

 

In the past, when the rich believed in hell, they would offload their money before they died as a means of purchasing a good seat in heaven. Unfortunately an awful lot of it went to The Vatican but in this country, some of it went to building schools and hospitals, which we still use, and churches which we don't.

 

@Fat Controller . He's just waiting for the "Aww please. We really need a man with your talent and charisma

 

My guess is Rishi wants out fast. Huge salary beckoning from across the pond.

 

When you look at the rest of the bunch he's probably one of the best.

I know I would be if I was him, they could put a new leader in now and change them next year, or is that not how it works?

 

The non-PR system was risen at a time when one of a few parties had more or less the majority. Over the last 20 years, a split of the votes to several parties with less and less votes for each of them leads to the problem that each country needs many months and it least 3 if not more parties to build a coalition.
Each of the coalition partners have different if not opposite ambitions. In order to build a coalition, they have to agree to an absolute minimum. By that time, no progress, no reform, no change, none of these countries is able to plan ahead for years to come and none of them can be made responsible. The danger of failing coalitions because one party steps back is permanent.

Labour with 33.7% would have been forced to have a coalition with the LibDems and a 3rd party, if not 4th party if they didn't want to have a coalition with the Conservatives. If the LibDems refuse, the only chance to build a coalition would be a Labour/Conservative government.
You need to live at least 20 years in a country and to experience many elections to judge how progressive such system is - not at all.
You may not like Labour or the Tories, but they are fully responsible for what they do and it needs just one election to get rid of the government.

Looking at Europe:
- Belgium: 7 parties, from Wikipedia "Belgium’s first female prime minister Sophie Wilmès led the caretaker government since October 2019. The parties finally agreed on federal government 16 months after the elections"

- Netherlands: 4 parties, from Wikipedia A process of cabinet formation took place following the Dutch general election of 22 November 2023, leading to the Schoof cabinet on 2 July 2024.
The previous Fourth Rutte cabinet was a coalition formed in January 2022 after the longest formation, consisting of the People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD), Democrats 66 (D66), Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA) and Christian Union (CU). After surviving multiple crises over the regulation of nitrogen emissions, the cabinet experienced a further crisis over asylum policy. In the last round of negotiations, the VVD proposed stricter measures which were unacceptable for CU, who broke off the negotiations. Prime minister Mark Rutte therefore offered the resignation of his cabinet on 7 July 2023.

- Germany: 3 parties, from Wikipedia "Federal elections were held in Germany on 26 September 2021. ... cabinet were elected by the Bundestag on 8 December."
In Germany, you vote for a party not a person. Voters have got 2 votes: one for the party member in person and a vote for the party itself. (Translated to UK parties: you can split your vote by giving the 1st vote to a Reform candidate, and the 2nd vote to Labour for example.)
Reality: Each party has got a list of members (top positions) that are always elected just by the amount of votes for the party. If these members are not elected in their constituencies, they are still member of the parliament.
There is no chance in Germany to get rid of them.

 

As recent events have proven, they can change leader as often as they want, and as the next GE is not due till 2029, they could squeeze in several if they wanted. After all, they don't have to keep them longer than the contents of a salad drawer.