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  1. Philippa

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    Whilst I definitely disagree with rioting. looting and any sort of violence whether it be aimed at police or civilians, peaceful protesting is beginning to be a rather fine line thanks to the Idiots amongst us.
    To make a protest ( other than writing to your MP ) will often entail disruption of one sort or another otherwise it fails to have any real impact and will just be sidelined.
    Not much different from the strikes by various NHS staff , Train Drivers, etc. which has an impact on patients, travellers, etc.
    Remains to be seen whether or not this govt. can deal with the many concerns prevalent in this country today without making the situation worse.
    I don't envy them.
     
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      I hear that Labour state they will reverse the illegal migration within six months. What will Yvette Cooper do? Make all migration legal - thus increasing the number of people coming to the UK?
       
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        Probably. The Labour solution to most things seems to be to give in.
         
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        • ViewAhead

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          Except to pensioners. :th scifD36: And I'm not hopeful about an agreement with the WASPIs. :gaah:
           
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            My dog is insured and at the moment is under the care of the vet. So far, blood test £200.00, Ultra sound, £200.00, I am not yet privy to the cost of a liver biopsy and anesthetic, He needs another blood test. He was prescribed a months supply of a food supplement, Milk thistle and Vits. £90.00. plus liquid Paracetemol. I reckon it is going to be close to £1,000.00, possibly more. I almost cancelled his insurance this year, relieved I didn't, bet the premium rockets next year.
             
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              As they've taken the Winter Fuel Allowance which is a comparatively minimal cost, they ain't gonna pay out to the WASPI's. Unless, that is, they all join one of the rail unions.
               
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                Indeed. We are only a couple of months in and I'm pretty dismayed so far. If you want to benefit the vast majority, narrowing the gap between richest and poorest is the way. That doesn't seem to be on the radar though.
                 
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                • JWK

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                  Waspis weren't in any of Labour's manifestos or promises so I can't see the compensation happening this term. Now that they have upped borrowing to cover the extra army of civil servants they are taking on I can't see them ever doing the right thing.
                   
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                    I wrote to (grudgingly) congratulate our new Labour MP on her success (crawler...) and mentioned in passing the things that have so far disappointed me (WFP) and listed my hopes for the future (Waspi comp).
                    NO REPLY RECEIVED YET .....:wallbanging:
                     
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                      They certainly don't appear to have made a start that suggests they are out to make life better for the lower paid.

                      They have always been in the pockets of the unions, so the union which shouts loudest will come out of it always on top.

                      I think we have been here before, and it didn't end good.
                       
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                        Therein lies my issue - there is a clear political side to the sentences and handling of those protests/riots versus other sentences, although in absolute fairness there has been something of an imbalance in sentencing for a very long time. It is notable that we've had people sent to jail for something they have tweeted or put on social media, whilst at the same time the likes of Clive Lewis (or Jess Philips, or David Lammy or Wes Streeting to name but a few) have tweeted equally abhorrent things over the years and there is zero action against them.

                        We have people being sent to jail for shouting at a police dog, yet at the same time people who were wandering the streets with machetes being let off with no charge.

                        Two that I am waiting to see sentenced are the Labour MP who spouted off in the street (I can't remember his name, but he is currently remanded) and Huw Edwards. If either of them get a suspended sentence or no custodial, then you've got your answer.
                         
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                          To be fair, Keir Starmer was on record on TV saying he was against removing heating allowance from pensioners, Labour also had in their manifesto that they weren't going to raise taxes and almost immediately have or are about to. "No tax hikes for working people! *"


                          (* except council tax, and if you have the temerity to drive yourself to work, heat your house, or have a couple of pints at the weekend)
                           
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                            As soon as they caved in to the Junior Doctors, the writing was on the wall. To be fair, the train drivers sounds a lot worse than it actually is, because it is a three year deal, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that if Junior Doctors get 22%, then nurses, HCA's, dentists, GP's are going to want the same - - then it spills out into the private sector too.
                             
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                              Oh and further evidence, if it were needed of TwoTierKeir's political abuse of the legal system is one Mr Lowes who has not been spoken to or arrested despite tweeting that there had been muslim women attacked with acid by far right protestors that directly led to muslim gangs being out on the streets with weapons (and indeed using their cars as weapons) and included damaging a pub; nor indeed was there any action against Jess Philips for condoning their actions, other than her making an apology.
                               
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                                The end point will be huge swathes of the population just above benefits level but below an income you can actually live on. Bills will carry on going up until the tipping point is reached where so many can't pay that more is lost in defaults than gained by increases.

                                I think in terms of standard of living we will move back decades, with unheated homes and inadequate nutrition, longer hrs and less pay, etc. As the population ages, more and more people will be in poverty, care services will be unable to cope, and life expectancy will fall. And that's before you add in the cost of wars, climate change, increased migration from areas suffering food and water shortages, and so forth.

                                It does not have to be like this. What we are headed for is a direct result of allowing a few to control almost all the resources. That imbalance could be addressed ... but I've not seen any politicians anywhere in the world who even have it on their radar.
                                 
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