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  1. ViewAhead

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    I would go back one step further though. Instead of having to respond to an attack, prevent the attack at the point of choice. I don't think wars are inevitable. They are convenient for a few and benefit a few.
     
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    Look what happened when we sat back and let Hitler get away with all sorts before we eventually decided to fight back. The generations born in the 40’s, 50s and 60s to a large extent have been very lucky not to have been involved in a world war. I would like to think there will not be another but have my doubts on that one as humans don’t have the best record of getting on with each other!
     
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      I still dont see how that works if the other side is the aggressor.

      What is the point of choice, just roll over.

      I agree politicians start wars and its the people who have to finish them, but I cant see how you can just allow an aggressor to take your country over.
       
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      Wars aren't inevitable, but when you get idiots like our new Foreign Secretary saying global warming is more of threat to us than Putin, it won't be doing anything to dissuade Putin from further acts of aggression.
       
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        I think the way war is talked about and presented by those in power and the media is where the problem lies. If it was treated as an aberration, a failure of leadership by aggressors, an outrage against civilians and humanity in general, that might curb the warmongers. If populations had a say before an attack could be made, would these happen, given war is never in the interests of the average person on the street? If dictators had real sanctions against them so the cost of starting a war was always ruinous to their personal power and fortune, would they do it?

        Across the world, the most extraordinary amount of taxpayer money is going on something which taxpayers have had no say in and get no benefit from. That this situation has arisen is testament to elite power. But it's a pointless waste for everyone else, of manpower (literally, through casualties), of resources, of quality of life. The cost is massive ... but we are just supposed to suck it up. The women of Greenham Common had a stab at changing things ... but they came up against big money and power.

        So ... my view is no one should ever be conscripted to fight, and possibly die, because an elite group benefits from warmongering.
         
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        I'm sure Putin is giving his country a vote on what he wants to do next.
        The population doesn't even get a look at reality, I'm not sure we do either half the time.

        Its all a dream world that doesn't exist.

        I'd just like to say I dont think it was just an elite group that benefitted from the outcome of WW2, I did and I'm sure you did as well.;)

        There will always be those that benefit from war and make money, likewise any major upset, like covid, its how the world works and always has since civilisation began.
         
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          If you look at how the dictators live, isolated from reality in vast mansions they couldn't care less for their own suffering masses who are in abject poverty. Sanctions don't touch them.
           
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            What I really don't understand is this:
            Fighting a war against someone like Putin or funding the other chap we don't mention, costs billions. Why not pay someone a portion of this to a hit man or a greedy/ ambitious minion to top the leader. If another one turns up that's worse than the holding tight to nurse option , pay again. By the time the evil are disposed of we'd still be quids in.
            Well actually,I do understand it. You don't pay a third party to kill the general or the banker because you might be next.
             
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              I know ... but that doesn't mean it never could. We are conditioned to accept war as a norm. But really, it isn't.

              It would have been more beneficial to everyone on both sides of WW2 not to have had it in the first place. All those young lads killed in their prime in horrific conditions. All those civilians murdered. All the property and possessions flattened. Etc.

              @BB3, I understand drone assassins the size of mosquitos are in development, so picking off despots may become a whole lot easier. ;)
               
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                I hope so. Then we can do despot whackamole -. Maybe arseholes would think twice if they, themselves, were in mortal danger.
                How many wars would there be if, as in the olden days, the leaders led rather than hid behind a computer screen?
                 
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                • pete

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                  Tell it to Hitler, I'm sure he would agree.:biggrin:

                  War is awful, but until you can find a way of sorting out territorial disputes without it I'm not sure what can be done.
                  A world without those that want to take over others territory is one that has not existed as far as I know.
                  I bet even cavemen squabbled over whose cave it was.:biggrin:
                   
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                    Squabbling was different when you both had an axe and the instigator had roughly a 50% chance of being killed though.
                     
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                      Just got a text message saying my grocery delivery from Morrisons is held up and they have a problem, but to call this number xxxxxxxx and get it rescheduled.

                      I call the number, press one press two etc.

                      then press one press 2 etc.

                      After jumping through the hoops I get a recorded message saying, this office is now closed call back tomorrow.

                      I dont wonder this country is in a mess, just morons running everything.
                       
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                        To reduce the chance of Wars, You just need to Conscript ALL MP's into the Army
                        Then it must be law that the first battalion over the top
                        Is the Royal battalion of MP's :-)
                         
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                          My fleabites woke me up. I got more over the day, washed all clothes in question, and didn't get new ones so far.

                          I'm always fascinated when watching documentaries about animals or just looking out of the kitchen window shows me what's wrong: why have cats, lions, apes and all these animals such problem with boundaries. Or spend a day in a kindergarten or at school and watch what groups do.
                          Always fighting for and extending their area and it's all about who is the king of the herd.
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