How Will the Budget Affect You, Thoughtful Gardeners?

Discussion in 'General Gardening Discussion' started by LawnAndOrder, Oct 30, 2024 at 2:23 PM.

  1. LawnAndOrder

    LawnAndOrder Gardener

    Joined:
    May 1, 2022
    Messages:
    321
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Dilettante
    Location:
    London
    Ratings:
    +458
    As they say of the sun, It's out now, and there ain't a damn thing we can do about it!

    Adapted quote from "The Missouri Breaks"
     
    • Like Like x 1
      Last edited: Oct 30, 2024 at 2:53 PM
    • RowlandsCastle

      RowlandsCastle Total Gardener

      Joined:
      Mar 21, 2024
      Messages:
      1,028
      Gender:
      Male
      Location:
      North Kent
      Ratings:
      +3,954
      Then all we can do is wait and see!!
      Expect prices to rise, once businesses have to increase their spending on no increased productivity, or they reduce their workforce.

      Plus, the fiddling of the figures for government borrowing and national debt is a failure to live in the real world.
      If I could have done the same years ago, I'd have written off my mortgage, theoretically, but in reality, the lenders would still demand their money.

      What a load of twaddle RR came out with. She could have done better, but will confuse the masses with her changing the goalposts. But, the result is the same. More debt, higher taxes and increased costs.

      Fellow gardeners, prepare to grow more food, produce more self-grown plants, and create your own compost in larger quantities.
       
      • Like Like x 3
      • Agree Agree x 1
      • Informative Informative x 1
      • infradig

        infradig Total Gardener

        Joined:
        Apr 28, 2022
        Messages:
        1,053
        Gender:
        Male
        Occupation:
        Freelance self preservationist
        Location:
        Solent
        Ratings:
        +1,235
        Perversely, the biggest losers appear to be those engaged in farming, upon whom we all depend for the proportion of our food that we cannot grow.
        The withdrawal of inheritance tax relief from working farmers means that not only will farming families be faced with division or sale to meet transfer to the offspring of the farmer but that the holding will be forced to pay 20-% inheritance tax to the avaricious Government, where the holding exceeds £1million in value; which equates to only 40 hectares on average.
        The loss of family farms will affect not only the food supply but alter adversely the countryside , environment and nature that we generally all enjoy.
         
        • Agree Agree x 4
        • Like Like x 2
        • Informative Informative x 1
          Last edited: Oct 30, 2024 at 3:49 PM
        • pete

          pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

          Joined:
          Jan 9, 2005
          Messages:
          51,027
          Gender:
          Male
          Occupation:
          Retired
          Location:
          Mid Kent
          Ratings:
          +93,702
          In 20 years the only farms we will have will be wind and solar "farms", who are they trying to fool with that word, "farm".
          Too soon to say as I've not really had time to look at the budget but it looks at first sight to be inflationary to me, put up costs to businesses and they just pass it on, seems to be obvious to me, but I'm not clever like they are.

          Borrow more money and your interest payments rise.:dunno:

          Growth growth growth, but what exactly does that mean, import more people I guess.:biggrin:
           
          • Agree Agree x 1
          • mac12

            mac12 Apprentice Gardener

            Joined:
            Mar 13, 2024
            Messages:
            9
            Gender:
            Male
            Ratings:
            +24
            Pete it could be interesting in the future when we have to eat the panels
            At 1640 according to national grid solar and wind are producing 11% of our energy is it worth it
             
            • Informative Informative x 2
            • KT53

              KT53 Gardener

              Joined:
              Mar 13, 2024
              Messages:
              360
              Gender:
              Male
              Occupation:
              Retired and clapped out.
              Location:
              Gloucestershire
              Ratings:
              +682
              One article I read says the NI increase will cost employers around £650 per employee per year. I suspect employees who do manage to hang onto their jobs can wave goodbye to any annual bonus.
              As others have said, the change to inheritance tax for farmers will destroy many farms.
               
            • RowlandsCastle

              RowlandsCastle Total Gardener

              Joined:
              Mar 21, 2024
              Messages:
              1,028
              Gender:
              Male
              Location:
              North Kent
              Ratings:
              +3,954
              ..... and did I hear that Council Tax reduction for single house occupants will be removed? If so, that immediately increases council tax by 33.3%.
              So, Labour saying they wouldn't tax the working person is true, hitting retired widows and widowers, is kept!!
              Hit the poor retiree, having already taken away their winter fuel allowance.
               
              • Agree Agree x 3
              • Tinkerton

                Tinkerton Gardener

                Joined:
                Mar 13, 2024
                Messages:
                119
                Gender:
                Female
                Occupation:
                Mostly lolling about nowadays
                Location:
                Deep in an enchanted forest
                Ratings:
                +270
                Not bothering me. But I'm not a dyed in the wool Tory :stirpot:
                 
              • NigelJ

                NigelJ Total Gardener

                Joined:
                Jan 31, 2012
                Messages:
                6,755
                Gender:
                Male
                Occupation:
                Mad Scientist
                Location:
                Paignton Devon
                Ratings:
                +22,975
                Do you have a source for that; as I have not heard or seen anything about this apart from members of the public.
                 
                • Agree Agree x 2
                • LawnAndOrder

                  LawnAndOrder Gardener

                  Joined:
                  May 1, 2022
                  Messages:
                  321
                  Gender:
                  Male
                  Occupation:
                  Dilettante
                  Location:
                  London
                  Ratings:
                  +458
                  You have been misinformed.
                   
                  • Agree Agree x 2
                  • infradig

                    infradig Total Gardener

                    Joined:
                    Apr 28, 2022
                    Messages:
                    1,053
                    Gender:
                    Male
                    Occupation:
                    Freelance self preservationist
                    Location:
                    Solent
                    Ratings:
                    +1,235
                    Well, some speculation in media was afoot earlier but this:
                    https://commonslibrary.parliament.u...person-discount-on-council-tax-was-abolished/
                    may or may not be considered a 'red herring'.
                    No mention of it in the Budget today; but as always, wait until the fine print emerges in a day or two....
                     
                  • pete

                    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

                    Joined:
                    Jan 9, 2005
                    Messages:
                    51,027
                    Gender:
                    Male
                    Occupation:
                    Retired
                    Location:
                    Mid Kent
                    Ratings:
                    +93,702
                    What is the point of a penny off draught drinks, a penny, granted its better than a penny on but is it worth fiddling with.
                     
                  • pete

                    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

                    Joined:
                    Jan 9, 2005
                    Messages:
                    51,027
                    Gender:
                    Male
                    Occupation:
                    Retired
                    Location:
                    Mid Kent
                    Ratings:
                    +93,702
                    Martin Lewis has tweeted that council tax is unchanged.
                     
                    • Informative Informative x 2
                    • KT53

                      KT53 Gardener

                      Joined:
                      Mar 13, 2024
                      Messages:
                      360
                      Gender:
                      Male
                      Occupation:
                      Retired and clapped out.
                      Location:
                      Gloucestershire
                      Ratings:
                      +682
                      I'm sure there will be much more meat put onto the bones of the Budget statement over the next days and weeks. As it stands though, there's nothing I can see to affect me directly one way or t'other.
                       
                      • Funny Funny x 1
                      • shiney

                        shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

                        Joined:
                        Jul 3, 2006
                        Messages:
                        63,466
                        Gender:
                        Male
                        Occupation:
                        Retired - Last Century!!!
                        Location:
                        Herts/Essex border. Zone 8b
                        Ratings:
                        +123,743
                        I've already lost my Winter Fuel Allowance which I always gave to a disabled person I look after but can't see it directly affecting me. Of course, I haven't studied the Budget yet as I had more important things to do - gardening, cooking and playing bridge. :heehee:

                        I'll wait until it has been analysed for me. :biggrin:
                         
                        • Funny Funny x 2
                        Loading...

                        Share This Page

                        1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
                          By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
                          Dismiss Notice