Fences Should Not Be Visible in Urban Gardens – To what extent do you agree?

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  1. Tidemark

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    That’s what we have had to do. But their dogs keep getting into our garden. What it needs is for them to out up a proper dog proof fence but they refuse.
     
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    Not just Dog proof fencing but also Cat proof fencing may help defer a lot of neighbour "disputes" too :wallbanging:
     
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    • LawnAndOrder

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      Chocolate is bad for folks, so is caramel, it's not even good for people's teeth, if they have any left.

      I am much more concerned about the shrinkage of fences, whilst their prices increase; and very ironic for those who have to pay for fences which, ultimately, they don’t even want to see!
       
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      Sorry, it got into the wrong thread…:biggrin::rolleyespink:
       
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        That's awful. There is no law that says they have to erect a fence - even if they are responsible for the boundary. But by law they are supposed to control their dogs. So if no secure fence, they can't leave them out in the garden.
         
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        Fences make wonderful supports for climbing plants and 'wall' shrubs, as long as they're well constructed, preferably with concrete posts. It's easy to fit wires or cables for plants that need tying in, or even a run of chicken/sheep wire for twining climbers. Walls are even better, but who can afford them nowadays? Anyone remember Stone House in (I think) Gloucestershire? The owner was a big fan of climbers so he built walls and 'follies' all over his land to grow them on :)
        But back to the point of the thread.....in very urban gardens, a smart, well-kept fence can be a feature in it's own right, but where that involves painting or staining, not very practical for growing plants on.
         
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        THAT is very funny!!! Thank you for telling me, though.
         
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        Of course, I remember John Stonehouse! Who doesn't?!
         
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          A fence made out of horizontal lengths of wood like cedar can be an attractive feature, if you can be bothered to maintain it with oil or preservative :biggrin:. For me, fences are a necessary evil in a suburban garden to mark the boundary of your property and provide some privacy and security. I don’t like my fencing as there were several instalments of different ages of wood here when I moved in. I’ve painted it black, which makes it less obvious, and almost hidden it now with hedging, shrubs and climbers. I’d rather have a vast open space with no neighbours or fencing!
           
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            Like the Australian Outback, @Plantminded. :biggrin: Even they tried a rabbit-proof fence.
             
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              I was thinking more of a stately home with deer park @ViewAhead. (I’m not sure that I have the patience to deal with all the staff :biggrin:.)
               
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                I like my fences.

                My neighbours at all three boundaries did not contribute a penny to my first one and after the hillbillies to the east side let their kids used it to practise board checking for hockey it was destroyed.

                When I replaced it, I did it on both sides to match. In brown coated chainlink and added privacy slats. And I sent them a registered letter to them not to affix anything to it or damage it way or they would be teacing the entire thing.

                I had a survey done to make sure my fence is 100% on my property butting up to the property line.

                The hillbillies are still next to me and the other side has new neighbours who are kind and like the fence because they have a wee pup.

                I do try to grow clematis, sweet peas and nasturtium to "pretty" it up in the summer.

                A hedge would use up too much of my gardening real estate.

                I like fences. It defines my territory and possibly is a silent and polite way to say, "By invitation only"

                My hillbilly side of the house is fenced all the way to the property line but once out front of the house, it is changed over to a pricey steel fence that is a little classier. That's what the budget could manage.

                Your money, your choice!
                 
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                  With one neighbour we have an ivy and jasmine-clad fence for the first 15 meter, then the rest is basically a shared mixed hedge of all sorts (including roses), where somewhere inside of that a low chain-link fence indicates the border. I consider myself very lucky we both agree it is a very good arrangement.
                   
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                    It would have to be pretty vast! An old friend of mine is married to one of the subsidiary members of a leading pop band; I have never met him and I am not particularly fond of their music but, that notwithstanding, it goes without saying that funds were never an issue, let alone a problem even to be discussed, AND YET, they came across an absolute nightmare. They lived near La Rochelle in a vast property with a huge garden. The house was so attractive that they overlooked one potential and unforeseen problem regarding the surrounding land: all the boundaries were far away, except one which was located about 35 metres from their house, but hidden by a row of poplars which masked a sturdy fence built in French oak. A few years after they’d moved in, a change of ownership brought devastating consequences: the new owners had two boys whose learning difficulties prevented them from going to school. They were chronically obsessed with football; concurrent antisocial traits kept them from wanting to be part of a team. They would be home throughout the day and obsessively kick their football(s) against their fence, allegedly throughout the day. Both my friend and her husband became distraught and, eventually, depressed; their peace was shattered, their jewel ruined. There were endless negotiations, including attempts to buy the offenders out. Nothing worked. Eventually, the neighbours accepted an offer which I believe amounted to something like three times what the house was actually worth. Peace returned.

                    It’s alright for some!
                     
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                    • shiney

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                      They almost always used to be an H or a T. The old fashioned way of determining who is responsible for the fence/boundary when moving into a property was to see which side of the fence the fence post is - which can be a problem nowadays with slotted concrete posts - as the post was supposed to be on the side of the person who was responsible for the boundary.

                      Back in the middle of the last century they tended to also have wire fence boundaries affixed to angle iron posts. With those the smooth side of the angle iron was supposed to face away from the owner.

                      Hedges are a law unto themselves. When we moved in the laurel hedge boundary was five foot wide!

                      @LawnAndOrder As an aside, yesterday I wondered whether I was driving behind you as the numberplate started with LAO :rolleyespink:. I don't think it belonged to your alter ego as there was no display of the Tao Te Ching. :whistle:
                       
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