New Year's Honours

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  1. shiney

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    A friend of ours has, very deservedly, received a BEM. She has been doing good works for nearly forty years, is a very active trustee of a number of local charities (despite being in her mid 80's) and is chair of another and booking secretary of a further one.

    People like her deserve the honour but I don't approve of politicians receiving honours for doing (or not doing) the jobs they are paid for.
     
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    • john558

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      I can't say on this forum what I really feel about most who are
      honoured. Of course the lovely local Lollipop Lady of 35 years will
      miss out, shocking:mad:
       
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        Alan Titchmarsh, MBE. For getting very well paid for something he enjoys doing? Just saying. :stirpot:
         
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          I can - it is little more than an augmented funny handshake club that to be blunt I think it is more honourable to not be in it. Talk about 'jobs for the boys'... Thornberry, Khan, Grey to name but a few. Johnson and all prior PM's have done similar too.
           
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            My father, a Colonel, had an OBE, and my Mother, a Staff Sergeant in the ATS had an MBE, both relating to service during WW2. I think things have changed a lot since then.
             
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              He has crawled around royalty for years, maybe he can stop now.:biggrin:
               
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                Very much so - it is essentially a huge dose of nepotism with a sprinkling of those that actually deserve it.

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                Basically, a load of them are MP's that got handed their arses at the election and lost their seat... so good old TwoTier-FreeGear-NeverHere-Keir decided to make them Lords and Ladies to give then £300 a day for turning up to parliament for an kip, cheap food and drink and maybe push through the occasional law.
                 
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                  Well I definitely stand by my prior statement that it is more of an honour NOT to be associated with this little club...

                  Patricia Hewitt awarded with a damehood for her lifetime of service to improving people’s health - Norfolk & Waveney Integrated Care System (ICS

                  Patricia Hewitt, who backed lowering the age of consent to as low as 10 as long as consent could be proved...

                  Patricia Hewitt backed NCCL policy of lowering age of consent | Patricia Hewitt | The Guardian

                  Patricia Hewitt, who was expelled from the Parliamentary Labour Party following a sting operation by Channel 4 Dispatches...

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                  Patricia Hewitt - Wikipedia

                  Degenerates, deviants and layabouts.
                   
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                    I've never agreed with the Lords and Ladies stuff but I do think some people should be recognised for their achievements within their communities. Political figures can always be included if recognition is deserved rather than just having being a politician.

                    After all this time, I do find it annoying that a more appropriate "honour" has not been conceived - the British Empire no longer exists so time to move on I think.

                    Re Alan Titchmarsh - before he got into the endless garden makeover stuff, he was a decent and knowledgeable "down to earth" gardener who inspired many to take an interest and learn about gardening - much like Percy Thrower and Geoff Hamilton. To my mind, he deserves some recognition for his contribution to gardening.
                     
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                      There is a young lad and his dad (now his extended family) that I have sort of fallen into watching on YouTube... he is in Essex and owns a business called Flawless Cleaning and has done so much good for the community, including cleaning schools and community centres, clearing waste from roads and helping the elderly and vulnerable - all for free. This is the sort of person that should be being recognised, not some failed MP that effectively got sacked by their constituents.
                       
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                        I dont think anyone should get a honour for doing their job, they need to have done something above and beyond.
                        We all, or mostly do our jobs, so they should have done something really special.

                        If the military handed out VCs like these honours get handed out it would soon cheapen them and make a mockery of it all.
                         
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                          My parents were both part of a major charity, volunteering for over 45 years each, doing first aid. I won't mention the charity but it's one of the two that everyone links with first aid. The way it was run in the last few years meant that nearly all the old members, that had a similar history, left. They lost their core members that had given up nearly every weekend for sometimes 6 or 7 decades. It became so commercial that most of the events that were supported by them before, could no longer afford them and they lost major support.
                          I mention this because there were members, who thoroughly deserved them, put forward for gongs every year by the other members but they were never nominated by the charity because you have to be the right sort of person, or show the charity off in the right sort of way. The only ones I know that got an award were those that were pretty new members but they showed the charity in the right light because they dealt with refugees.

                          I guess I'm basically saying that even the most deserving people are often overlooked because of politics and it's who you know rather that what you have done, meaning so few of those that deserve recognition get it.
                           
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                            There are quite a few people who have refused honours, more kudos to them.

                            David Bowie declined a CBE in 2000, and turned down a knighthood in 2003. Bowie later stated "I would never have any intention of accepting anything like that. I seriously don't know what it's for. It's not what I spent my life working for."

                            John Cleese turned down the 'ridiculous' CBE and 'silly' peerage.

                            Ken_Livingstone due to be honoured for his services to the 2012 Olympics turned down an honour in the 2013 New Year Honours due to his belief that politicians should not get such awards
                             
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                              Its probably best to just do away with the whole system as you are never going to catch everyone that deserves it and there will always be favouritism regarding nominations.

                              Its all very outdated
                               
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                                The system of honours and their names is an anachronism but I do think that there should be a system similar but with different nomenclature (whoops! forgot I wasn't on the "Words" thread :heehee:).

                                I definitely agree that politicians should not get awards simply because of their jobs but if they have given exceptional service they can be given them only when they have retired. The service that they have done must be way above that for which a non politician would be awarded it.

                                Celebrities, actors, sportspeople etc. should also need to have done something more than just their jobs. So there would need to be some sort of line drawn if it just is for extreme excellence in what they do (haven't the faintest idea how to judge that! :scratch:).

                                Most of the awards should go to 'ordinary' people that have given exceptional service to the community etc.

                                The people actually having to work out those that are worthy of the awards should also, themselves, have a body that judges whether they have done the choosing well. Above all that and keeping an eye on all of them should be - Me! :heehee:
                                 
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