Latest Moan From You and Me 2025

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  1. simone_in_wiltshire

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    You know that in politics, there is no need to like someone. If you put your heart and trust into a politician, you have already lost. Politics starts with having own ideas and goals, then you look for support and use the ones who share that idea and build a group of supporters to get as many as possible. This is not about friendship.

    I'm no fan of Trump but all I can say is that he hasn't blown up his father's business, he kept Kim Putin under control when in particular Kim tried to thread the world in 2018, and he brought the US tech companies back to the US with tariffs. The Chinese were not amused, and Biden was glad that Trump had started it and he didn't do anything to change that in 2021.
     
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      @pete, I find British politics very exciting because of reasons I mentioned last year already.

      I read 5 newspapers in the morning (respectively look at the front page): DM, Times, Guardian, Independent and Telegraph.
      I was surprised when in summer, the first 4 newspapers announced their support for Labour. Of course, you can expect that from the Guardian and Independent, but not necessarily from the DM and Times.
      The Telegraph was the only newspaper that warned what will happened, and everything what they said did happen.
      I find it astonishing to read comments in the Guardian when readers complain about the bad press for Labour, call it right-wing press that makes Labour worse than it is.
      I think when reading these bubble comments from London lefties, you had 4 supporting newspapers, have you ever asked yourself why you lost the trust of 3 of them? Even the Guardian is in some kind of critical.

      When I read these overexcited comments by Telegraph readers about Reform, believing Reform are the saviours, I think, I wonder what politician they will use to do the actual work. We will see in 10 years time.
       
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      I bury my head in the sand. :dunno:
       
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        I agree we do not need to like politicians, @simone_in_wiltshire. Just as well for them, eh, as they are a thoroughly unlikeable bunch taken as a whole. ;)

        I agree Biden has been a disaster. The American people deserve better than the choice they had … and so do we. IMO, Reform is just as much on the side of the wealthy as all the other parties here. The number of “news” stories they write about the Royals demonstrates this. No Royal trivia is too insignificant for them.

        We need politicians who can think and act independently of the Davos billionaires and their acolytes. It’s a problem the world over. The wealthy running things for their own gain has been shown not to work. The mantra that a company is only beholden to its shareholders has directly led to problems like water supplies contaminated with forever chemicals, the downgrading of the value of labour, the desecration of working conditions, the seizure of assets by the few, etc, etc. I don’t think it can be reversed. The wealthy have governments and the military on their side and will not give ground. So, the most likely outcome is a collapse of society. This has never happened on a worldwide scale before. Revolutions have always been piecemeal and, ultimately, the “haves” have largely withstood the pressure and risen again quickly.
         
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        I'm a thick git and don't unstand it all so i don't need to bury my head in the sand, at leased i can say i didn't vote for the MP's/PM's
         
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          Just a brief note to Elon Musk:- keep your nose out of UK politics and laws!
           
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            @simone_in_wiltshire as you read so many newspapers you must surely be aware that they are all as biased as each other, the only difference being whether they are left or right supporting. People in general tend to read those which broadly support their views.
             
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              You mean like the Labour Party did during the US elections. Sending people over to help the Biden campaign is hardly keeping out of the politics of other nations.
               
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                Musk is the teensiest bit more high profile than Labour party workers. :biggrin:

                That said, the US has interfered with politics across the world since WW2 and been the money and power behind many regime changes.
                 
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                  I didn't say anything about supporting what Labour did! :dunno:
                   
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                  Latest moan…..news this morning, anyone aged 70 and over have to pass two exams -didn’t say when this will come in. Now? When someone renews an licence? Another nudge to pensioners. Next it will be the buss passes going.
                   
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                    I've just been to a site I haven't used for quite some time and it now requires that I accept all the cookies, including those to 3rd party sites. The list of these is several pages long. That's one site I won't use again. I never click on 'Accept all' on any site and only accept 'essential' grudgingly.
                     
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                      You mean this?

                      Drivers born before 1954 may be asked to undergo “vision tests” and "cognitive assessments”. Siobhan Thomas, Partner in Hugh James Serious Injury team, issued the warning as she gave advice to road users renewing driving licences at 70.

                      She said: “Depending on your responses to the self-assessment questionnaire, you may be required to undergo medical assessment to assess your fitness to drive. These assessments are conducted by healthcare professionals, often your GP or a designated medical practitioner.
                       
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                      I’ve no objection to medical assessments for drivers, though 70 seems quite young. After all, the gov thinks you are up to full time work till almost that point. ;) I’d say 80 or 85 would be reasonable.

                      The NHS has issued advice for people to stay at home today. Apparently the cold snap is deadly for us, though heaven knows other countries cope just fine. :scratch:
                       
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                        If it is brought in and every applicant is refused the roads down here in Cornwall will be almost empty and car dealers will go out of business!
                         
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