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  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    Not only US backing no, but mostly.
    I doubt UK support would have kept them going this long.
    I think it mostly stems back to Jewish money people in high places in western countries.
     
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      @pete I certainly agree that the expansion of settlements has done nothing to reduce tensions over the years. If I remember correctly, Israel actually evicted settlers from unauthorised settlements some years ago. Attitudes on both sides seem to have hardened over the decades.
       
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        Wars are backed by money, not countries. Politicians are just mouthpieces for the monied, there to trot out all manner of justifications in support of the unsupportable.
         
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        Whether or not people agree that Israel had a right to form their own country in the Middle East after the continuing horrendous actions against their race ( not just the obvious holocaust ), they have been responsible for gradually enlarging their borders by allowing their citizens to illegally settle in other areas. There is so much talk of anti semitism but in many instances that isn't really the case - it's anti Israeli government - much like many are anti UK government.
        In my working life, I have been employed by several Jewish run companies. I did find they were often prepared to be more favourable to staff members who were of Jewish descent than those who were not but I made several friends along the way too. I would hope that many non Jewish people had similar experiences. However, given their history , they could perhaps be forgiven.
        Terrorism is now rife throughout the world - what one lot describe as Terrorists, another lot disagree .
        Overall, decimating countries and populations is futile and will never lead to peaceful existence yet we continue in the same vein year in year out.
        Politics + money + ego maniacs means the poor civilians of whatever race or religion are always the first to suffer. About time we grew up IMO and that includes the Western world as well as the Middle East.
         
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          Israel has expanded its borders every time one or more of its neighbours invades. Anyone remember the 6 day war in the mid 70s? Egypt, Syria and Jordan joined forces to wipe out Israel and were wupped. They never learn. The will, ingenuity and determination of the Israelis is a force to be reckoned with.

          Israel was created, quite rightly IMO, after the Holocaust in the home of the original Jewish nation. It seems to me to have been a grave error of judgement not to create a Palestine too. Many Arabs think Israel and its citizens should be wiped off the face of the earth so Israel will always invest heavily in its own defence.

          As long as Syria, the Lebanon and countries like Iran insist on supporting Hamas, Hizbola and co there will be strife and the people at the bottom will suffer. What Hamas did in October 23 was inhumane and no sensible person can condone it and no-one should be surprised that Israel has reacted the way it has.

          As ever, it is to be noted that, once again, the very rich oil nation Arabs who also dislike Israel are singularly absent in providing aid to the millions in Gaza displaced, made homeless, hungry and sick or injured by this latest war.
           
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          "Newspaper headline, middle east deadline, Jazz musicians are down on the breadline".

          From "Soho, needless to say". Al Stewart, 1973.

          Of course he also wrote "Russians and Americans".

          So here we stand at the edge of 1984
          Bracing ourselves once again
          For the storm approaching as those
          Who long before huddled in caves from the rain
          The enemy's face is so hard to see
          Sometimes it seems that I see him in you
          Sometimes in me
          Who can he be?
          No use consulting the prophets and leaders they all disagree
           
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            And, Russians by Sting …

            In Europe and America there's a growing feeling of hysteria
            Conditioned to respond to all the threats
            In the rhetorical speeches of the Soviets
            Mister Krushchev said, "We will bury you"
            I don't subscribe to this point of view
            It'd be such an ignorant thing to do
            If the Russians love their children too
            How can I save my little boy from Oppenheimer's deadly toy?
            There is no monopoly on common sense
            On either side of the political fence
            We share the same biology, regardless of ideology
            Believe me when I say to you
            I hope the Russians love their children too
            There is no historical precedent
            To put the words in the mouth of the president?
            There's no such thing as a winnable war
            It's a lie we don't believe anymore
            Mister Reagan says, "We will protect you"
            I don't subscribe to this point of view
            Believe me when I say to you
            I hope the Russians love their children too
            We share the same biology, regardless of ideology
            But what might save us, me and you
            Is if the Russians love their children too
             
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            • pete

              pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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              I hate it when pop "stars" start preaching, like they are really important and everyone should take notice.
               
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                I’m not sure he was preaching. The line “there’s no such thing as a winnable war” has proven true time and again. Politicians may declare “wins”, but everyone loses except the shareholders in arms manufacturing and rebuilding contracts (usually one and the same).
                 
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                  Is it to help solve the housing crisis, or just another source to generate tax.

                  Spain was known to have the most unoccupied dwellings in Europe with nearly 4 million empty dwellings.

                  Where can all the vacant houses in Spain be found? - InSpain.news
                   
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                    They say it is to help ease the housing crisis and I have no idea whether that is true or not but it also generates tax. :noidea:
                     
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                      Honestly, I think a tax on second homes is fair enough. Taxes have to be raised somehow, and, by definition, buying a second home abroad means you have more than you need … and more than most people have. If the second home is in a city like, say, Barcelona, where locals are priced out by the affluent, I think it is even more justified.
                       
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                        :th scifD36: Not happy. Sainsbury’s is one of the last spaces on the planet where you do not come across dogs. Splendid. So, imagine my displeasure when I am quietly strolling the aisles this morning only to have my hearing suddenly assaulted by barking. Surely they aren’t letting dogs in here too, I thought. But no, the ghastly din was coming over the tannoy. It was an ad for pet insurance or some such.

                        For goodness sake! :nonofinger: Bad enough two aisles are out of bounds because of the reek from pet food. :hate-shocked: If sound effects are going to be added at random, I will not be happy.

                        Guide and other assistance dogs, I have no issue with. They behave well and don’t bark just for the sake of it.
                         
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                          We are losing WHSmith in main town from May. Not sustainable to renew the lease so they are shutting up shop. There’s another big name lost to the centre.
                           
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                            Hallmark Cards closed up near us about 18 months ago. The manager in their said the landlords wanted to treble their rent! This at a time when many of the shops had already closed and there was little incentive for anybody to come into the town. I can only assume it is somehow financially preferable for landlords to own empty properties.
                             
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