Struggling with plants in this area! - Vine needed

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  1. Brind

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    I have a slightly north east facing garage/shed that I'm trying to grow vine cover. It receives full direct sun late in the day for a brief period, the rest of the time, it's fairly shaded by the height of the garage/shed, as in, the path and a metre and a half up the wall remains shaded.
    I have hanging baskets on this wall quite high up with petunias etc and they do very well there! So if the vine could reach a good enough height, it may receive all the light to keep it healthy and vigorous.

    I first tried Clematis Montana, however this failed to establish miserably. However, it was also battling lots of water at the time due to leaky guttering which I had not noticed.

    Then I tried Star Jasmine which was my first choice but everywhere I read said they need lots of sun, so I was dubious whether it'd work. Amazingly it did! It was only tiny when I planted it! Maybe 8 inches tall, but it took off and put out a few vines and leaves. All through the winter it survived, until the growing season started again, everything else in the garden was putting on new growth but this star jasmine wasn't doing anything. It was healthy looking with lovely green leaves.
    I watered and fed it in hopes of trying to jump start it, and it responded by turning its leaves bronze and red and then dropping them. However, it started some new vines with bright green leaves! Despite continued loss of the larger older ones.
    I didn't want to lose it as it's been rapidly in decline so I pulled it up from its location and potted it and put it in a constantly sunny spot. It had lots of roots! So it must have been reasonably happy there.
    I don't understand other than me feeding it that it failed to do much this year.

    Short of putting an indestructible Virginia Creeper in this spot, I'm at a loss of what to put there. I would have loved the flowers of the Star Jasmine to walk past, Maybe a larger one to start with so it gets more light at the top, would help it grow better? I read that Star Jasmine does shed old leaves eventually, but this was beyond that in my opinion!

    I would love an evergreen vine there, even if it flowers only slightly.

    Has anyone got any advice regards the behaviour of my Star Jasmine or perhaps a recommendation of a new climber for this spot? I was thinking of trying the yellow Jasmine as this is meant to be a lot hardier than the Star..
     
  2. Louise D

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    I'm staggered that your clematis montana didn't establish because that position would be ideal for one, also, the exess water from that gutter wouldn't have been as much hindrance as you think because clems are extremely thirsty vines.
    If it were me i'd try one again !!!

    Whatever you choose for there you'll need to ensure that you plant the rootball at least 2 feet away from the walls or there simply won't be enough moisture in the ground for anything to establish.
    Angle the plant, keep it on its support sticks that it comes with (in the pot) and plant the whole lot at a steepish angle, have all the wire supportwork on the walls ready and you're away.

    By Star Jasmine do you mean Trachelospermum ? ?
    If you do then this is fairly slow to get going, i've had one here for 4 years and it's really slow !

    What would be very happy there is Hydrangea petiolaris, it prefers quite a lot of shade and is self clinging so no need for attaching wire to the walls.
     
  3. Brind

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    Hi, thanks for the reply!

    The main problem with the leaky guttering at the time was made worse by the fact the ground underneath is very dense clay! I had dug a hole over a foot deep but any water going in there if not consumed by the plant was sitting on the clay and kept the plant over-watered. The Montana didn't stand a chance really.
    The hole is now deeper.

    I do indeed mean trachelospermum jasminoides, that's a mouthful!
    I read they weren't particularly fast growing. Which is a shame really. How do you have yours growing? Is it on a trellis or left to mound? I'm hoping mine will perk up again and live a healthy life. Just need to think of a home for it.

    A self clinging vine isn't really important as I have support wires on the wall.
    I will take a look at your suggestion, thanks!
     
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    Hi Agree with Louise:thumbsup:

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  5. Louise D

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    "How do you have yours growing? Is it on a trellis or left to mound"



    Brind, i have mine in thin alkaline soil, in a south facing position, it's woefully slow but is perfectly healthy, it came through the minus 12 temps we had here (unheard of) in winter - which surprised me !
    It makes new growth each year but hasn't flowered since i planted it - hey ho !

    It's tied into a wooden trellis which is a boundary one between my garden and next doors, i have a few clematis which are moving at a moderate pace towards it too !
     
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    Jasminum Officinale 'Fiona Sunrise' .... have bought 2 today (had never seen one before), but have been researching them all week, and have posted a thread on this forum enquiring about them this week

    the new leaves are light green/lime coloured, and the older leaves are yellow/golden (similar to a choisa) ... grows in sun/partial shade, grows rapidly, and has fragrant white flowers for approx 3 months of the year (july to september) ...

    here is a snip of the description from a site on the internet:

    the best yellow leaved climbers on the market today with heavenly scented, white flowers. The yellow foliage of this variety of Jasmine starts in the spring with the new growth tinged with red, summer brings the flowers and bright lush yellow foliage. Autumn brings the most glorious gold colour lasting well into winter, if mild weather permits.

    I planted them against a south facing wall, however the house (3 storey) is nearby and blocks out direct sunlight in the morning ... light is good though ... so I suspect that the leaves will eventually be light yellow/light green ... am just guesing though and time will tell .... can however say that it looks very good at the moment

    my wife however thought that they were sick/dying as the leaves are yellow, so I suppose they are not everyone's cup of tea
     
  7. Brind

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    Thanks for the replies.

    I saw that plant in my local nursery, Dim. I like the idea of the white flowers, but the overall yellow was a little overpowering for me and where I want the plant to grow, I think..

    I'm looking at the Jasminum officinale 'Clotted Cream', I love the colour of the flowers! Says it could also retain some of its leaves if it doesn't get too cold during winter.
    Says it prefers a bit of sun too, but I guess all plants would! If I can find this, I may give it a go. Rapid grower too!
    I only saw the Fiona Sunrise and the common white flowered one in my nursery though. Will have to find out if they can get hold of one, I don't fancy paying double for the plant to get it delivered!
     
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