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    There is such a thing as native plants. It's that simple :-)
    And we all have a duty to protect them! :thumbsup:
     
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    Right, so name them. Rhododerons aren`t native. Give us the list and we shall find them.:thumbsup:
     
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      I would say that 99.9 % of plants have found their way, via animals, to these shores, so we have very very few TRULY native plants, going by Hydrogens criteria, If we use a more sensible time table of say, 500 years, Then there is a better chance of fulfilling his needs.:thumbsup:
       
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      I do understand your affinity with "native plants", Hydrogen, and it's not a bad thing to a connection with history. But in one of your posts you say "i'm only interested in native plants at the moment.", but everyone is scratching their heads as you haven't named a native plant and given them something to identity. So as Dai says put names to what you consider to be native plants.:D:scratch:
       
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      English blue bell, yarrow, corncockle, birdsfoot trefoil. And yes I know they grow in other countries too....
       
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      I really don't see what your all trying to prove to me?
       
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        We're not trying to prove anything :). We're all keen gardeners and are trying to understand the criteria of 'native' plants so that we may be able to help.

        For example, the ones you mention all grow in my garden (birdsfoot trefoil only occasionally) as well as bee orchids, cowslips, primulas, primroses and other 'wild flowers'. These constitute only a part of what flowers in my garden (although I do have a few thousand cowslips). Campanulas (of which I have many hundreds) are also 'native' to the UK but only about nine varieties are considered to be so.

        Kew are doing a wonderful job of trying to preserve and expand the native plants but are only, currently, working on wild meadow plants. You would need to identify what sort of plants you are after and I'm sure some of us on here will have them in our gardens and could send you some seeds. :dbgrtmb:
         
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          You may think I am nit picking here, but, do you want native to England, or native to Britain?:scratch::thumbsup:
           
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          These plants grow in other countries? So, they are not native then.:thumbsup:
           
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          Dai, not sure where you are coming from on this:scratch:

          I think you have hounded poor old H enough.
           
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          Spot on, Shiney.:D

          Hydrogen, we weren't "chasing" or trying to prove anything. All we were trying to do was understand your personal definition of Native Plants. The problem is that we all have different understandings and definitions of what is a native plant and what is not. You only have to look at different areas of gardening to see the different interpretations of how and what cultivation different plants!! So basically your definition of Native Plants does include identical plants that grow across the Channel as well? OK, I can understand that definition.:thumbsup:
           
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          Oh Armandii, so, the penny has dropped?
           
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          :heehee::heehee::heehee::heehee:

          Well,Pete, you've got to admit it was a bit of a struggle to get a definition and list of names, even though we were already pointing out all our plants were originally from the pre-Channel European mainland.:D I was just finally clarifying that there was a definition of Hydrogen's that we all agreed and understood. Errr, I think that was the point, but then again:scratch::scratch::heehee::heehee:
           
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          Nobody is hounding Hydrogen anywhere. He specified he only wants native plants. It`s up to him to define what are native plants,. We have gone back 10,000 years, what more can we do? And if THIS thread gets censored, it will be the last I post on.:dbgrtmb:
           
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          Well I thought I could be a bit awkward at times but during this thread poor H has been given the run around.
          Its not a subject that I'm well up on but I do think there was a lot of unhelpfulness going on at times.
          Not sure why.

          I think there was a feeling that H was looking for "endemic" plants.
          Admittedly you wont find many of them.


          I just googled and found this lot.
          Plants thought to be native to the British Isles
           
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