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  1. shiney

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    I'm having a bit of a problem at the moment. Deer seem to have decided that they like my garden and are starting to do damage to it. They've been ripping off a lot of branches from the apple trees, ripping up the blackberries, have eaten most of soft branches of a 7ft eunymous, taken a forsythia bush to the ground etc.

    At the bottom of my garden is a field and I have a 3ft high rabbit fence (heavy duty wire) that I put in over 20 years ago.

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    I've made a temporary defence by sticking 8ft bean canes through the top of the fence and angling outwards towards the field. It seems to be working but can only be temporary. I want to increase the height of the fence to 6ft and hope that will be sufficient.

    Is 6ft high enough?

    Putting in the rabbit fence was extremely difficult because of how hard it was to dig down for the posts as the poplar roots are everywhere.

    As you can see, the fence posts are the old-fashioned angle iron ones and still seem extremely solid. I was thinking of getting similar post, six foot long, standing them inside the existing posts and fixing them to them. Either by wiring them or by drilling through the metal and bolting them. I'm not able to do this myself nowadays so will have to get someone in to do the fencing.

    Would either of the fixing methods be OK?

    I think that I only need ordinary chicken wire for the upper wire, which will save on cost as the fence is 80ft long.

    Once the fence is in we would like to grow things up it. Bearing in mind the difficulty of digging in the area, especially closer to the trees we may be restricted on what to grow.

    It would be nice to have a mixture of evergreenplants with something like clematis that would give lovely colour. With something less than 80ft, because of the trees, there is still plenty of scope for plants.

    Any ideas?

    Thanks in advance :dbgrtmb:
     
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    Morning Shiney .
    Not ever had to contend with Deer this is only my opinion ..
    As long as the angle irons are still solid I would bolt similar to them myself .. And I would think chicken wire or even a wider mess would do the trick .I would think 6ft would be hih enough but if the wire allows take it slightly higher.
    I'm sure others will have more imput..

    Dave
     
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      I'm still learning how to fend off the deer, but having had a good look at how its been done in gardens that open to the public (Heligan in Cornwall being my favourite example), it seems its not so much the height of the fence but the angle that's important.

      If possible, the top of the fence should lean outwards.

      The reason (so I'm told) is that deer aren't put off by a high fence, unless its over 8ft, as they will half climb the fence with their front legs, standing on their back legs, to reach over the fence. By having an overhang, they bang their head when climbing up, and this spooks them so they run away.
       
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        Are they coming in during the day or at night Shiney? If it's at night, lights on sensors may work.
         
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          I think I would go to at least 7 foot. Have seen Deer jump a 6 foot roadside hedge at night, and they are wider than a wire hedge.

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            Assuming you don't have a ready supply of Lion droppings, Shiney, I've found a practical alternative on a website:-

            In the "smell" category of repellents is soaps. It appears the more odorous the soap, the more objectionable to deer. You can use bars of soap purchased from grocers and food clubs. Cut large bars in quarters. Soap should be hung in original wrappers or cloth bags to help keep them from dissolving too fast. Hang soap on small stakes near plants, fences, or similar above ground objects, spacing the stakes about every 10 feet. Soap placed on branches may attract voles, creating yet another problem! :thumbsup:
             
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              My only worry is that if you were to grow plants on the fence it may come down in winds, especially with a rampant Clematis..............
               
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                electricity?

                Predator & Nuisance - Rutland Electric Fencing

                and here are the specs of the different energisiers:

                http://www.rutland-electric-fencing.co.uk/PageSelectingAnEnergiser.aspx

                according to the list, the top of the range mains powered energiser (the very last one on the list) will cost £15.65 per annum in electricity fees, if it left on 24/7 for every day of the year

                and here is a good link explaining how it works:
                http://www.electricfence-online.co....ce-advice-faqs/guide-to-electric-fencing.html


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                  What's soap? :scratch: :heehee:
                   
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                    It's that stuff that you forget to leave behind in those posh Hotels you patronise on these many overseas visits you and Mrs Shiney enjoy so much.

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                      Oh, those!!!! so that's soap. :DOH:

                      I thought they tasted funny :heehee:
                       
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                      Dim beat me to it, I was going to suggest a leccy fence ...
                       
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                      Knowing how high deer can jump would an electric fence work, they would probably clear it with no problem.
                       
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                      deer always go right up to the fence to 'measure' it before jumping

                      some guys who install electric fences add bait to the fence (small containers with stuff like peanut butter etc) .... the deer goes to smell it and gets a jolt

                      When I was in the army in South West Africa (now known as Namibia), there were large deer called Kudu .... these are huge and make UK deer look like babies

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                      many people got killed at night while driving on remote roads, as these large deer used to stand in the road, and when you approached, they used to jump to try and clear the car headlights .... and end up smashing through the car windscreen

                      many people used to drive at night with their interior lights on, as if there was a kudu, it would then jump higher than the car roof (they jump over 3m high) ... they jump to clear the lights

                      South Africa Holiday: Driving Tips (advice for British Tourists in South Africa)

                      snip:
                      Kudu are infamous for jumping almost vertically over 3m high fences when frightened by car headlights. They jump towards the lights and may land on top of the car, killing the occupants. Be warned, try not to drive on rural roads at night, watch your speed, and be prepared to stop if you see animal eyes reflected in your headlights.

                      sadly, they don't advise motorists to drive with their interior lights switched on?
                       
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