Iran war build up - Just sabre rattling?

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Will the west attack Iran this year?

Poll closed Dec 20, 2012.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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    from yesterdays news:

    Homeland Security watches Twitter, social media

    Homeland Security watches Twitter, social media - Yahoo! News

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    Reuters) - The U.S. Department of Homeland Security's command center routinely monitors dozens of popular websites, including Facebook, Twitter, Hulu, WikiLeaks and news and gossip sites including the Huffington Post and Drudge Report, according to a government document.

    A "privacy compliance review" issued by DHS last November says that since at least June 2010, its national operations center has been operating a "Social Networking/Media Capability" which involves regular monitoring of "publicly available online forums, blogs, public websites and message boards."

    The purpose of the monitoring, says the government document, is to "collect information used in providing situational awareness and establishing a common operating picture."

    The document adds, using more plain language, that such monitoring is designed to help DHS and its numerous agencies, which include the U.S. Secret Service and Federal Emergency Management Agency, to manage government responses to such events as the 2010 earthquake and aftermath in Haiti and security and border control related to the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver, British Columbia.

    A DHS official familiar with the monitoring program said that it was intended purely to enable command center officials to keep in touch with various Internet-era media so that they were aware of major, developing events to which the Department or its agencies might have to respond.
    The document outlining the monitoring program says that all the websites which the command center will be monitoring were "publicly available and... all use of data published via social media sites was solely to provide more accurate situational awareness, a more complete common operating pictures, and more timely information for decision makers..."

    The DHS official said that under the program's rules, the department would not keep permanent copies of the internet traffic it monitors. However, the document outlining the program does say that the operations center "will retain information for no more than five years."
    The monitoring scheme also features a five-page list, attached to the privacy review document, of websites the Department's command center expected to be monitoring.

    CONTROVERSIAL SITES
    These include social networking sites Facebook and My Space - though there is a parenthetical notice that My Space only affords a "limited search" capability - and more than a dozen sites that monitor, aggregate and enable searches of Twitter messages and exchanges.

    Among blogs and aggregators on the list are ABC News' investigative blog "The Blotter;" blogs that cover bird flu; several blogs related to news and activity along U.S. borders (DHS runs border and immigration agencies); blogs that cover drug trafficking and cybercrime; and websites that follow wildfires in Los Angeles and hurricanes.

    News and gossip sites on the monitoring list include popular destinations such as the Drudge Report, Huffington Post and "NY Times Lede Blog", as well as more focused techie fare such as the Wired blogs "Threat Level" and "Danger Room." Numerous blogs related to terrorism and security are also on the list.

    Some of the sites on the list are potentially controversial. WikiLeaks is listed for monitoring, even though officials in some other government agencies were warned against using their official computers to access WikiLeaks material because much of it is still legally classified under U.S. government rules.

    Another blog on the list, Cryptome, also periodically posts leaked documents and was one of the first websites to post information related to the Homeland Security monitoring program.

    Also on the list are JihadWatch and Informed Comment, blogs that cover issues related to Islam through sharp political prisms, which have sometimes led critics to accuse the sites of political bias.
    Also on the list are various video and photo-sharing sites, including Hulu, Youtube and Flickr.

    While a DHS official involved in the monitoring program confirmed the authenticity of the list, officials authorized to speak for the Department did not immediately respond to an email requesting comment.
     
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    What is conspiracy? It is the search for truth.

    We communicate on forums and read media

    Why do we do this? We have a craving to know,learn, and question what does not seem right.

    not everyone is easily fooled
     
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    As much as this thread has entertained me, and I honestly respect the opinions of all concerned, I'm going to let this one run and just occassionally check back to see how its going:)

    I say just this though. I know the world isn't squeaky clean, and I know sometimes things get onto the web that governments would rather not be there. I also know there's lots of pure fiction.

    I just think that conspiracy stuff is too much like a religion to be credible. The bulk of the proof seems to be along the lines of 'it is written...'. Now just because something is written does not of course mean it is not true, but equally it doesn't mean it is true.

    It is written that a new face has arrived in sunflower valley. Farmer Pickles' delivery truck, Packer.

    Doesn't mean it's the truth.
     
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      It isn't. To conspire, means to plot against. A conspiracy is literally a plot against something.

      When Peter left the room, John and James began to conspire to make Peter think he'd lost his marbles.
       
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        thats from the oxford dictionary .... my dictionary is 'different'

        here are a few questions for you ...

        do you believe that man has walked on the moon? .... do you believe that Bin laden was responsible for 9/11? .... do you believe that there are no contrails and chemtrails sprayed by man? ... do you have your children vaccinated? .... do you believe that the new cervical cancer vaccination works?... do you bleive that flouride in your water is good for you?

        I could go on here all night

        :cool:
         
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        Yes.

        I don't know. I don't believe the US government organised it though.

        I don't even know what that means.

        Yes.

        I have no idea. There's one thing for certain, it wont work on me. Whether it works or not is something that time will tell. I hope it does, but like any vaccine, it wont be 100%. In my lifetime alone, the word 'cancer' has gone from being synonymous for impending certain death, to life threatening but often curable illness. Maybe in time, with more research, it will because no more than something like TB, easily cured with medication if caught early. This new vaccine, if it proves to be as effective as early research suggests, is just another tool in the box.

        EDIT:

        I've just looked up 'chemtrails'. No offence, but the idea is beyond ridiculous. The lines you get in the sky when an jet aircraft has gone past are made of ice particles. Very simple physics experiments that you can do yourself with no special equipment can demonstrate the principle. To be honest, I'd probably start thinking something clandestine and beyond my understanding was going on if jet planes stopped producing contrails.

        The idea that some posh chap from whitehall turns up at heathrow and says to an airline pilot, excuse me old chap, but would you mind spraying this nasty chemical over everyone as you fly along please?

        I think whoever thought of that one has been watching too many episodes of the whacky races, and stop the pigeon (starring the legend that is Dick Dastardly).
         
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        well, it's good that you are 'clueless' and are not sure about nearly all of the questions I asked ....

        that shows that you don't always believe everything that is broadcast on the news and printed in the newspapers

        :D
         
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        it is bizzare!

        but sadly it's fact .... they spray all sorts of 'nasties' in our atmosphere ....

        Weather control - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        and even worse, there is a thing called HAARP ....
        High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
         
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        Remember I said this:

        Well, rather worryingly, I've noticed the RAF and the Navy advertising a lot lately, plus the TA strangely.
         
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          I saw oin the telly the other night an advert for recruitment for The Royal Navy so it must be true:D

          What would we all do without a telly:heehee:
           
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            Has it occurred to anyone our troops may not go to Iran if there is war, but hold back for the possible conflict in the Falkland Islands. :scratch:
             
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            In the year of 2000 there were seven countries without a Rothschild owned Central Bank:

            Afghanistan
            Iraq
            Sudan
            Libya
            Cuba
            North Korea
            Iran
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            The only countries left in 2003 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family were:

            Sudan
            Libya
            Cuba
            North Korea
            Iran
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            The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family are:

            Cuba
            North Korea
            Iran
             
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            You need to add the UK Dim. I know for a fact that it is in public ownership.............

            Pretty sure that the Fed is "owned" by the US government too.......
             
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            N M Rothschild & Sons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

            headquarters is in London ... bank of England

            -------------------------

            US government does not own the Fed ....

            Federal Reserve Bank, ownership - The Lawful Path


            HeadquartersLondon, England, UKHeadquartersLondon, England, UK

            HeadquartersLondon, England, UK
             
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