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  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    Ok found it,

    Copper Oxychloride

    So its just another dose of COPPER
     
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    I'm not sure why that's different (or less safe?) to Chesthunt Compound (Copper sulphate). I wish I'd stocked up on it before it was banned, the metal lid on my old tin has melted away so I binned it.

    I went looking for some of this new stuff in the Garden Centre & B&Q last week, couldn't find any. I think it's only 4 sachets inside, so much much more expensive than the old stuff.
     
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    I have heard it said, from more than one source, that there was nothing wrong with Cheshunt compound - except that it was generic - ie public property. I understand that all garden chemicals have been banned until they have passed an expensive testing routine ordered by the European authorities.

    But who is going to test a public property product that, once it has passed, can then be manufactured by anyone. I think the new alternative is just a copper variant that can be patented by Bayer.

    I have used both the old and the new. The old remains in solution, but the new one doesn't - it settles and then is difficult to dissolve again. So I would still use the old (if I was allowed to - of course :D).
     
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      Make your own John, the chemistry is simple. You might like to do some Googling to find independent verification that this recipe is kosher:

      Insecticides And Fungicides A to Z
       
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        When I was a kid err 50's we had chemistry sets :-)
        when we had used up everything we went to the chemist and bought for pennies COPPER SULPHATE, FLOWERS OF SULPHUR Etc

        So although garden outlets do not sell it, Can it not be bought from a chemist ?

        Duh just checked off course you can,
        Copper Sulphate 1k £7
        Flowers of Sulphur 1k £7

        Jack McH
         
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          Apparently it's illegal to mix up chemicals for your own use in the garden. But who checks? Anyway I might just happen to be storing all these chemicals in the same container for space saving purposes. :thumbsup:
           
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            In that case I predict a repeated, accidental, spillage every time you fill a new seed tray!
             
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            Any idea of what should spill into what, accidentally to assist any strugling plant life ?

            Though BOOTS the Chemist refused to sell me white powdered Cocaine to assist my Red Poppies for Rememberance day :scratch:

            Jack McH
             
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            No, none whatsoever, but hypothetically speaking (in case my lawyer is reading this and planning to give me a good kicking tomorrow ...) Chesthunt Compound was traditionally used on seedlings as a fungicide to reduce the risk of damping off disease.

            Damping off disease causes all your little seedlings to keel over and then its "Goodnight Vienna" :( but having said that I think "Damping off disease" is very rare, if you use good husbandry (clean seed trays, sterile compost) and don't stress the seedlings

            What I don't know is why Chesthunt Compound was so widely used for seedlings rather than any other fungicide? Perhaps normal fungicides were too strong and just killed seedlings?

            I water (hypothetically speaking still, of course ...) all seed trays of difficult / long-time-germination seeds with Chesthunt Compound (both before sowing and if they need watering thereafter); unless the seed is scrupulously clean there is a chance that it will start a mould reaction anyway. Alternatives to that are a Hydrogen peroxide "bath" for the seeds before sowing (you'll need to look up the concentration, its obviously important that its not too strong!). I don't know whether H2O2 is also useful when watering seed trays (with regard to Damping Off), but it certain does have some beneficial action as it releases Oxygen; its probably about the only "tonic" you can usefully give a plant that is showing stress as a result of over watering. H2O2 often used as a "bath" for bulbs before starting them off if they are prone to rot - such as Colocasia ... right, I'm getting right off topic now, so I'll shut up!
             
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