Argentina v Falkland Islands

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  1. Kandy

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    I would comment on this subject, but recently did and the thread was locked on another garden forum

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    There are no other garden forums, move along, nothing to see here:heehee:
     
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      You comment away Dim.

      You know the rules, we'll only jump on ya if you break them my friend.:)
       
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        Apart from the huge area of antarctica we win mineral rights too by having territory near enough by so that we own a sufficient area of surrounding sea, and the fact that its the only convenient UK stronghold in the area in the event that any south american countries should kick off and we have to fight them, what value are the Falklands anyway?

        I feel proud of our little country. We have a few little islands here and there, miles away from Britain, and very close to someone else, who thinks that they should own the islands, and they are much bigger than us, and we say Oi! France/Argentina/Spain etc, No! Gerroff our larnd. The Falklands/Channel Isles/Gibraltar etc is Ours!, has been ours since we nicked it, and will always be ours.
         
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          1764 French settlement
          1765 British claim
          1766 British settlement along with French
          1767 France sells to Spain
          1770 Spain forces Brits to leave
          1771 Spain allows Brits to return while reserving sovereignty
          1774 Brits abandon islands
          1816 Argentine claim following independence from Spain
          1820 Argentine possession
          1829 Brits claim sovereignty
          1831 US gunboat diplomacy and declare islands ungoverned
          1833 RN warships arrive and force out Argentines

          so .... what gives the UK the right to ownership? .... reminds me of the old 'colonial' days .... you are stronger than a country .... go and plunder loot and rob .... that what they done in countries like northern/southern rhodesia (now Zambia and Zimbabwe), and south africa, India amongst many others

          if they are concerned about the people, why did they not even sent 1 plane to airlift the thousands of white british zimbabweans who were murdered and their farms stolen in Zimbabwe (which was a British colony) and who were begging for assistance?

          reason: there was no monetary value in helping

          and, that is exactly what is happening now with the Falklands.... the UK is not concerned about a handful of people living on a barren rock zillions of miles away .... with a crappy weather that cannot even grow a crop .... it's all about the huge oil reserve that lies offshore and the money that can be made from this

          and the same goes for Argentina .... they want the oil, not the island or the people living there
           
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          have not seen it, but just read your link

          sounds similar .... but bear in mind, my comments are my own thinking .... so many may/will disagree

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          Spain and France are in that list. What gives them any rights to the Falklands? Argentina is only Spanish speaking (along with most of the rest of south america) because the Spanish nicked it all in the first place, wiping out huge numbers of natives partly by force, but mostly by bringing diseases that the locals had no immunity to. So we did them an honour, we kicked out their invaders for them. Albeit a bit late for the original owners, and not exactly for any moral reasons, but still, you can't have everything.
           
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            exactly .... look at the map:

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            seems a bit closer to Argentina than the UK which is a zillion miles away

            I thought peter pan was the last pirate, but I was wrong .... Somalia also has pirates in this day and age

            edit ...

            :heehee: ... just asked my wife if Peter pan was a pirate and she is still laughing ....
             
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            Already looked at the map. See my earlier post.:)
             
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            I wouldn't like to argue *dim*, you seem to have looked up the history on the subject.
            What I would say is that I agree both us and Argentina want the mineral rights in that area, that makes both claims equal.
            Apart from one fact, the people who live there want to remain British as they are now.

            I agree Rhodesia was let down badly, but that country contained many more of the native population that wanted independence.
            I could see how you could be a White British Rhodesian, but to claim to be British years later after it had become Zimbabwe and the good times had gone, is stretching things a bit.
             
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              no .... you are wrong .... the white people who lived in Zimbabwe, and who were from British families are your cousins and blood relatives .... they moved there when it was a British colony, but remained there when Britain sold out, as they had made it their home and had established farms/businesses

              speak to those who have managed to move to the UK and hear their point of view .... great people and very proud, even though they lost everything

              it's like saying that a chinese person who has lived in the UK for 20 years is no longer Chinese .... he is British?
               
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              My understanding of the Falkland Isles is that they remain a useful outpost militarily if need be..........
               

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