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  1. shiney

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    We went over to a water meter and it worked out cheaper even though we use a lot of water on the garden (but never water the grass). If you don't have a water meter your charges are based on the rateable value of your property.

    So if you have a low rateable value property and a big garden you are better off not having a meter.

    We have a three-bedroom bungalow but most of our neighbours have five or six bedrooms so our rateable value is the same as theirs :mad:. Our Council Tax is heading towards £3,000 :rolleyespink: so our water rates were high. Now we're on a meter we are better off.
     
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    A quick guide Nick, sunrise in the east (land of the rising sun)and sets in the west.another easy way to see how your garden faces is use google maps north is usually at the top.
     
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      I'm playing it by ear to see whether the weather (?!) is actually being predicted correctly. It would be a first! In the meantime I've hooked up the rain barrels and will be sinking old 2 litre pop bottles into the ground for water where needed. All other established plants can fight for themselves!
       
    • Kristen

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      Dunno about Kent, but in East Anglia we use ground water. In 1976 the place where my Father worked took a huge amount of water out of their (own) borhole (for the industrial process). Water level in the borehole barely fell at all he said.

      We've had dry for a couple of years though ... I have been watering plants I put in last Autumn through the Winter - I have never done that before!

      Having said that, we did have hosepipe ban in '76

      Get a meter then and make your own reductions and economies.

      Appalling concept to charge a flat rate for anything, mobile phones and internet included, just encourages abuse and over use (I don't mean you specifically mowgley !!), the cost is split across everyone and then you get to "Well if they are going to charge THAT much I'll use as much as I like"
       
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      • merleworld

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        I'm referring to those huge paddling pools which seem to be popping up everywhere nowadays as they can be bought quite cheaply. You don't have to be minted to buy one, but if you had to pay per L for what you put in it, I bet they wouldn't be as prevalent.
         
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        Interesting point ... I went on a Google!

        They seem to be between 12' and 18' (bigger available of course, but that requires being a bit more "Minted" !) and around 4' deep. That's gonna cost £500+

        12' dia x 4' deep would be 13 cubic metres (2,800 gallons) of water
        18' dia x 4' deep would be 29 cubic metres (6,300 gallons) of water

        Metered water here is (from memory) £1 per cu.m. so about £13 - £29 to fill (so long as you only do it once a season and have a little filter pump thingie)

        FWIW Anglian Water site says "Using a garden hose or sprinkler for just one hour can use up to one cubic metre (1,000 litres / 220 gallons) of water"

        "A dripping tap can waste at least 1,500 litres (330 gallons) of water in a year"

        Southern Water says "If you have a garden sprinkler, you must have a water meter fitted at your home. Avoid leaving hoses and sprinklers running, a sprinkler uses as much water in one hour as a family of four in one day."

        Interesting point about water meter, dunno if that is true of other water boards?
         
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        After one of the bans on the use of sprinklers (can't remember how many years ago) our water authority said that we had to pay a higher water rate or go on a meter. As they were already having to change the connection from the road to our house (a fault in the pipe) they didn't give us a choice and installed the meter. I was quite happy because they were paying for it.

        I understand that all new properties have to have a meter - but not absolutely sure.

        Re your Southern Water quote:- "Avoid leaving ....... sprinklers running". That's what sprinklers are for!!!!! :scratch:
         
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        Yeah, but if you are on a meter you are more likely to buy a Timer Gadget ...

        ... and if on Rates no incentive to not just leave it on and "try" to remember to turn it off. No incentive to fix a dripping tap either for that matter ...

        Q: Do you think I feel strongly about it ? :D
         
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        I understand what your saying Kristen but your water rates are also charged for drainage as well as useage. All my guttering is connected to water butts and when there is a hosepipe ban, bath and showering water will also be used to water the plants and as shiny says never water the lawn
         
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          My next door neighbours wanted to swap over to a water meter and investigated how to do so and were horrified at the costs short and long term. The cost of installation, the month standard rental charge, and the cost of the water would cost them over 3 times what they pay now through their water rates.:dunno:

          You're right about being charged about the drainage of rainwater off your roof, Mowgley, which is done by roughly estimating the size of your roof. But whether or not all your drainage from the roof goes into water butts etc and not into the drains you will still get charged for the drainage!:biggrin:
           
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          Even during a hosepipe ban you can use a hose to top up, or fill your garden pond I believe. We have had quite a few bans since the '76 one, the early 90s were dry and hot if I remember.

          My fish do drink rather a lot:WINK1:
           
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          Must be mates with my pal Ziggy then:heehee:
           
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            Due to the general lack of rainfall in this area, I have adjusted my flower beds to drought-tolerant planting. We are well into water conservation in this household - owning a motorhome teaches you that. Funnily enough, ever since I heard about the drought warning, it has rained pretty constantly. Good - we need as much as possible.
             
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            I'm on a meter and I pay about £22 a month (and I do quite a bit of washing and watering of my containers/garden).

            If I didn't have a meter I'd be paying double that.
             
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