Ebb and Flood Irrigation

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  1. Kristen

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    Wondering about constructing something DIY. I do this manually at times (when pots are dry and watering from Can + Rose likely to run-through), pick up a carrier of pots, stand in gravel tray, fill tray with water, leave 10 minutes, swap for another carrier of pots ... it takes ages to do them all, although I don't sit and watch them (but I do forget some and they get far too waterlogged as a result).

    I was thinking of a frame, say 2" - 3" high, around the edge of the area (a length of staging, for example), cover bench and surround in pond liner or similar, put a "sink plug hole" in the base, and fill with water for 10 minutes and then drain - compared to a 2' square tray this would do all plants in one go.

    Or I could lay capillary matting I suppose, but some Googling suggests that the commercial nurseries seem to have switched to Ebb and Flood benches & floors now, so I expect it's a) more efficient and b) cheaper

    My bench is pretty robust, but I should perhaps cover it with gravel trays filled with water (and plants) first to see that it looks like it can take the strain.

    2" of water is 50 kg / sq.m - that's 2/3rd of my weight !! My staging is 4.5 sq.m. on each side ... at 2" deep I make that a quarter-tonne of water !! plus its a lot of water to apply / store. Hmmm ... perhaps I need to rig up something to do it in zones, "flowing" the water from zone-to-zone.

    Any thoughts, advice and experience appreciated :dbgrtmb:
     
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    I don't know anything about ebb and flood but I know something about weight on staging. Just put extra support under the staging.

    I did that when I built my propagator and the staging has survived 35 years. The propagator is 3' x 5' and the sand and gravel is 6" deep and then the trays of plants go on top and the sand and gravel has a reasonable amount of water absorbed in it - plus the weight of the timber for the propagator. I haven't the faintest idea how much it weighs but someone said they reckoned it was over half a ton. I used hefty bits of timber from a skip :thumbsup: and just jammed them underneath - everyone knows I'm useless at DIY :heehee:
     
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    No experience Kristen but I have looked at the small solar powered one from GreenhouseSensation for about £70 and wondered if it was any good. I was considering making one myself for my Samphire plants this year, rigged up with a cheap solar powered fountain pump (with a tilting reservoir come old washing up bowl) to automate it.
     
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    Very useful chaps, thanks.

    Shiney my staging is just Dexion, so no doubt I could get some more bits cheap of eBay to "brace it". I've seen your propagator, if you reckon that is 1/2 a ton (doesn't surprise me filled with wet sand) then I'm less worried about the weight of water across the whole of my staging.

    John: that sounds like what the hydroponic boys use (couldn't fine the product on their site though?), as they need their plants to be re-wetted frequently (no soil in their pots), I was assuming I would only need to "run" mine when I watered, and I suspect that with a 10 minute "stand" in water that would probably only be every other day, until the pots are well filled with roots at least.

    I did read something that alerted me to the need to have plants with same watering requirements in the same "bed"
     
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    They seem to have stopped selling the solar powered version (which IIRC was for veggies), maybe it was too expensive or not enough sunlight to work reliably. Now they have this mains powered version which is promoted for ‘exotics’ as their "
    Rain & Drain Exotics Planter":


    http://www.greenhousesensation.co.uk/hydrogrow-ebb-and-flood.html

    NB: The web page is still headed with their old product name "ebb-and-flood" :cool:
     
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    looks like that's Hydroponics - using expanded clay granules as the "substrate". part of an earlier life was growing Hydroponic plants for Office Landscaping - they had expanded clay granules in a pot and a little float-water-level. Folk just had to add water when the float gauge fell too low, and some hydroponic granular feed every few months. Dead easy really. As the office light was never good enough we insisted on additional grow lights, we swapped out the plants every couple of months, stuck them in the greenhouse for a few weeks to revive them, then gave them to someone else! The great thing was that with the grow lights they came back bigger than they went out! Great business model ... :blue thumb:

    I think I'll have a crack at a DIY job with some pond liner and see where I get to. If I manage to extract-digit I'll report back with some photos :)
     
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    The staging should easily handle 50kg/sqm if its distributed uniformly. You could strengthen it up with gusset plates or diagonal bracing across the corners and stand it on pavers to spread the load :)
    Herringbone Struts from wickes etc are quite useful for cross bracing.
     
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